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  On 1/29/2025 at 4:25 PM, ryoko said:

That Warning went bad, that wasn't necessary.

It was very necessary.


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  On 1/29/2025 at 9:00 PM, Leo Gura said:

It was very necessary.

Yeah, I understand now.

Solitude as an escape is never healthy.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 8:56 PM, Leo Gura said:

I'm sorry that happened to you. So sad. Made me cry for you and your dog.

But humans are gonna be here regardless and very few humans are that bad. You gotta find the good ones. There are good ones like your dog was. Be careful not to over-generalize. The humans who hurt your dog were bad. That doesn't transfer to all humans. Just like there are some bad dogs, but that doesn't transfer to your dog.

Keep in mind how "evil" animals are. A wolf has no problem ripping a rabbit apart. Life is a very difficult and hurtful thing.

You have deep trauma from losing your dog. It will take time and some therapy to heal. Hang in there. Sorry for your loss.

I was the man of the house since 7 years old since my grandpa died, and I've buried more than 10 dogs until I buried my angel, and I've never been affected for more than a few hours, the previous dogs died to illness or they been hit by a car, I've understood that it is part of life! But I've cried my eyes out when I wrote the above post and I almost never cry  , and it's been almost a year and a half since my dog was murdered. Something about the brutality of the scene made me view all humans , including myself as devils walking and raping the earth! To me only a horrific devil could have put the poison in the meat with full discernment of the brutality of the death that will ensue. The scene of brutal fight for survival that my dog had in it's final minutes... it lasted like 10 minutes and as he shed tears as he died, he looked into my eyes the whole time.... and the moment he gave his last breath and how his eyes froze while shedding one last tear..... That image will forever haunt me. That day made me realize that there is something extremely horrifyingly devilish and evil within the human race. It made me realize that man was created in the image of the devil, not in the image of God. I made the rationale in my mind that all humans have at their core some identic DNA structure that defines us as a species, and therefore everyone is related to one another, and as a consequence if one individual had in their psyche so much horrific evil to brutally exterminate a little harmless dog , then in my theory given the fact that I believe that we all share a common DNA, everyone could have done the same given the chance. Sure that devil mercilessly slaughtered with poison my dog just because he barked when he passed by my house, for others the threshold that would push them to do the same would have been raised higher.  I mean look what happened in the Holocaust, that we as a species still kill each other for fun after 200.000 years of evolution. In my mind mankind is a cancer, sometimes I wish that I wasn't born. All of those thoughts I shared here with you are as a result of very deep contemplation of all the events that I experienced since I was born. I am not stating that they are correct, but that is the conclusion I have arrived after all the nights of contemplation.

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@Daniel Balan The only reason you love your dog so much is because of your human experience. It's what makes the human experience meaningful.

Happiness and sadness are the same because they both show you what and how much you love.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 8:28 PM, ryoko said:

My point being, don't give up hope on humans. There are many good people. You know? It's a 12 yo kid who convince me to go with him to save the little puppies. Kindness is always there.

@ryoko Undeniably there are good people. But even good people are evil. I've noticed that within myself, I sometimes have evil thoughts, like the thoughts I have when I experience injustice or devilry. I have thoughts of annihilating people that wrong others, which in turn makes me just as evil as those I condemn for being evil. If I see so much evil within myself, how could I ever trust another human ever again? And believe me I try my hardest everyday to live as just and fair to other beings as possible. My relation with all humans hasn't changed since my dog was slaughtered with poison, I talk to everybody, I behave with everyone, but whenever I see a human, I see them in my mind as the devils they are, even when I look in the mirror, I almost can see the crooked teeth and horns. The only time I feel at peace is when I am walking at night beholding the sky. The night's firmament is pure therapy to me. I feel like I fly through the universe when I behold the sky! I wish I could become one with the nightsky.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Balan said:

And as I came home from work, I see him with tears in his eyes, and he jumped in my hands and he kisses my hand, and as I go into the house to change my clothes he looks very sad to me as I walk. After 5 minutes I changed my clothes and I go outside, and I see him violently vomiting and shivering and moving uncontrollably, he vomited all the rat poison that the had in his stomach, he was moving like a snake in all directions and moving his body parts like crazy, he had such a violent death as he gave his last breath my tears were dropping over his body and I told him that He always was there to protect me, but for one time he needed my protection and I failed him, all I had to do is protect his angel soul from the devils and I failed. The images of my dog struggling to fight the poison that has destroyed his body, while he cried as he gave his last breath in my hands, he fought so hard to survive, I saw it in his eyes how hard he tried to stay alive as he saw me crying too. 

 

I am so sorry to hear this 

I too have experienced terrible deaths of pets.

I had a puppy who, on my 16th birthday, ate an entire box of snail poison.

It was a windy day, the box up high.

It must have fallen, she got into it.

She died in the same similar violent manner in my arms.

My mother was hysterical as I held her in the car. 

It is something that you will never forget, only time can help the trauma fade to a distant memory...

Regardless of intentions, outcomes can be terrible & there is nothing we can do but endure 

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  On 1/29/2025 at 10:12 PM, The Crocodile said:

@Daniel Balan The only reason you love your dog so much is because of your human experience. It's what makes the human experience meaningful.

Happiness and sadness are the same because they both show you what and how much you love.

And above all, what this makes it so brutally heart-wrecking is that he waited for me for 2 days to come home to greet me for one last time...

he waited with his body totally destroyed from within just to kiss me one last goodbye.... 

I will never forget him! Goodbye forever!

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  On 1/29/2025 at 10:35 PM, Daniel Balan said:

@ryoko Undeniably there are good people. But even good people are evil. I've noticed that within myself, I sometimes have evil thoughts, like the thoughts I have when I experience injustice or devilry. I have thoughts of annihilating people that wrong others, which in turn makes me just as evil as those I condemn for being evil. If I see so much evil within myself, how could I ever trust another human ever again? And believe me I try my hardest everyday to live as just and fair to other beings as possible. My relation with all humans hasn't changed since my dog was slaughtered with poison, I talk to everybody, I behave with everyone, but whenever I see a human, I see them in my mind as the devils they are, even when I look in the mirror, I almost can see the crooked teeth and horns. The only time I feel at peace is when I am walking at night beholding the sky. The night's firmament is pure therapy to me. I feel like I fly through the universe when I behold the sky! I wish I could become one with the nightsky.

This situation is still very fresh in your mind. Give yourself time.


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  On 1/29/2025 at 10:58 PM, Leo Gura said:

This situation is still very fresh in your mind. Give yourself time.

It's not just this situation, this situation was like the final nail in the coffin of my world view. I began shaping this worldview 5 years ago when I started to realize what mankind is really about, And as time passed I got more and more radicalized in that aspect. I stopped trusting humans long before this event. But this event had nailed the last nail in my worldview. I go about my life as nothing has changed, but genuinely I could never trust humans ever. I even thought of not even staring a family because I don't want to perpetuate this illness called mankind for this beautiful planet. I love this planet so much, I wouldn't want to hurt mother nature any longer...

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  On 1/29/2025 at 10:09 PM, Daniel Balan said:

 That day made me realize that there is something extremely horrifyingly devilish and evil within the human race. It made me realize that man was created in the image of the devil, not in the image of God. I made the rationale in my mind that all humans have at their core some identic DNA structure that defines us as a species, and therefore everyone is related to one another, and as a consequence if one individual had in their psyche so much horrific evil to brutally exterminate a little harmless dog , then in my theory given the fact that I believe that we all share a common DNA, everyone could have done the same given the chance. Sure that devil mercilessly slaughtered with poison my dog just because he barked when he passed by my house, for others the threshold that would push them to do the same would have been raised higher.  I mean look what happened in the Holocaust, that we as a species still kill each other for fun after 200.000 years of evolution. In my mind mankind is a cancer, sometimes I wish that I wasn't born. All of those thoughts I shared here with you are as a result of very deep contemplation of all the events that I experienced since I was born. I am not stating that they are correct, but that is the conclusion I have arrived after all the nights of contemplation.

@Leo Gura please give your opinion on what I highlighted above! Have I gone totally overboard with the nihilist bandwagon which I totally assume being true, but I feel like in the quote above is a kernel of truth, what do you think? Is what I contemplated totally wrong? 

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  On 1/29/2025 at 11:27 PM, Daniel Balan said:

Is what I contemplated totally wrong? 

Yes, it is wrong. That is not how reality works.

But it is too soon from your trauma to start correcting your worldview. At this time you need a good 3-6 months for your mind to settle and grieve. Then we can discuss how to improve your understanding of mankind and reality.

For now just take it easy, comfort yourself, give yourself space and time, and try not to invent grand narratives about mankind from your current state. You are in a state of profound loss, hurt, and trauma so your sense-making from that state will be distorted and biased. That is okay, but try not to feed it too much or you will develop a toxic ideology which will be hard to dislodge in the future.

Very horrific things can and must happen in life. Making sense of why they happen is very serious work which requires coming from an unemotional state.

Wishing you peace.

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If I understand correctly, the dog died 15 months ago. No denying it was a traumatic experience, but life goes on and you should try and research how people deal with such trauma. Otherwise you'll be very limited in your potential, almost constantly having a story playing in your mind about how humans are evil etc.

As Leo said, that is not correct, and if it's true that the incident happened 15 months ago, might be time to begin the healing process.

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@Daniel Balan Something to keep in mind: you don't need to trust humans fully. You understand that they will be selfish, so you maintain a certain mild caution in all dealings with humans and you calibrate it based on red flags they send out.

Most people are decent as long as their survival is not at stake at the moment.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 11:38 PM, Leo Gura said:

Yes, it is wrong. That is not how reality works.

But it is too soon from your trauma to start correcting your worldview. At this time you need a good 3-6 months for your mind to settle and grieve. Then we can discuss how to improve your understanding of mankind and reality.

For now just take it easy, comfort yourself, give yourself space and time, and try not to invent grand narratives about mankind from your current state. You are in a state of profound loss, hurt, and trauma so your sense-making from that state will be distorted and biased. That is okay, but try not to feed it too much or you will develop a toxic ideology which will be hard to dislodge in the future.

Very horrific things can and must happen in life. Making sense of why they happen is very serious work which requires coming from an unemotional state.

Wishing you peace.

I deeply thank you and all the other forum members for the heart felt advice! Thank you and I wish everyone peace!

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@Daniel Balan How long ago did you lose your dog?


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  On 1/30/2025 at 0:19 AM, Daniel Balan said:

@Leo Gura He died on the 17th of October 2023! Roughly 15 months ago! 

Okay. Why did I think it only happened days ago?

Anyway, you might want to consider therapy, to talk things out.


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  On 1/30/2025 at 0:08 AM, Leo Gura said:

@Daniel Balan Something to keep in mind: you don't need to trust humans fully. You understand that they will be selfish, so you maintain a certain mild caution in all dealings with humans and you calibrate it based on red flags they send out.

Most people are decent as long as their survival is not at stake at the moment.

I thread very carefully every interaction with humans, I am always on guard when it comes to my physical safety! In the village I live I've only encountered all my life stage red individuals and I am treating every interaction with extreme caution. That's why I am the happiest at night, because I am alone and I feel a deep sense of serenity. When I'm all by myself. I've never needed anyone to be happy all I ever wanted is the serenity of the nightsky!

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  On 1/30/2025 at 0:23 AM, Leo Gura said:

Okay. Why did I think it only happened days ago?

Anyway, you might want to consider therapy, to talk things out.

Probably because I've described the situation in such deep detail like it happened a few days ago. As I said I have accepted the situation, It was not the death of the dog per se that caused me to view mankind in such a negative manner, It was all the experiences that I had since I was a child, and because I contemplate nightly everything that happens during the days, after years of contemplation and independent thinking I came to the conclusions I laid above. The only thing I can't contemplate is why such horrific events are ought to happen. That is the main reason I follow your work, to make sense of the blind spots in my own contemplation. My contemplations have been corrupted by the negative experiences I have been exposed to, and I came to you in order to address the flaws in my corrupt worldview.

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@Leo Gura You always talk about the importance of developing independent thinking, You see all my conclusions I've shared today on this thread are as a result of my own independent thinking and contemplation, yet my independent thinking resulted in a flawed and dangerous view of mankind, from my POV I feel like it is the correct one because of all my past experiences, but on a holistic level it is wrong because It makes one become bitter and helpless. My question is, how to do independent thinking and contemplation, in a way that doesn't result in toxic ideology like it resulted in my case? How to ensure that you are not self deceiving yourself even further by practicing independent thinking and contemplation? 

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