Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[mmKay]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@Leo Gura Theft can happen only if you own something. 

Ownership and right to own something is really a falsehood held by the government. How can you own anything really?

How can theft happen when you don't own anything in the first place?

Post-modernist defending his case in court

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura your blog post on theft reminded me of something I heard from a twitch streamer who is an ex-pro gamer. He was talking about how in a zero sum game, taking away resources from your opponent in more efficient than doing your own thing. For example, if you opponent has a goldmine, and you get your own goldmine, than you are 1:1, and are equal. But if you take your opponents goldmine then it's -1 for him and +1 for you, so you are up two gold mines, instead of 1, essentially.

For some reason, I find this really interesting to think about and wonder how much it applies to the real life.

[Leo Gura]

@Something Funny Yeah. Interesting point.

[Basman]

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura your blog post on theft reminded me of something I heard from a twitch streamer who is an ex-pro gamer. He was talking about how in a zero sum game, taking away resources from your opponent in more efficient than doing your own thing. For example, if you opponent has a goldmine, and you get your own goldmine, than you are 1:1, and are equal. But if you take your opponents goldmine then it's -1 for him and +1 for you, so you are up two gold mines, instead of 1, essentially.

For some reason, I find this really interesting to think about and wonder how much it applies to the real life.

I think this analogy could help explain the supposedly high homicide rate during the Stone Ages (something like 10-20% of deaths). Hunter-gatherers would live in relative scarcity with little to no control over the resources they needed. Taking from others in a zero-sum kind of way would be extremely effective (plus no moral constructs around the killing of non-tribes members).

Could also explain rape and pillage throughout the ages. Way easier than growing crops.

[Bobby_2021]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Ownership is a construct, yet still, within that construct which everyone accepts, theft happens.

Maybe people steal because they think they are the rightful owners of it. They don't accept ownership as a construct that applies to everyone. Everyone is for maximizing wealth for themselves.

Another point is, what's the right kind of reward for anything. You own something in return for contributing something, labour or products.

What's the correct balance for reward vs labour. This needs to be cleared up.

Theft can happen simply by suppressing your capability to contribute thereby stealing the rewards your might have been entitled to.

7 hours ago, mmKay said:

Post-modernist defending his case in court

Milordships, with all due respect the defendant talking out of their ass. 

6 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura your blog post on theft reminded me of something I heard from a twitch streamer who is an ex-pro gamer. He was talking about how in a zero sum game, taking away resources from your opponent in more efficient than doing your own thing. For example, if you opponent has a goldmine, and you get your own goldmine, than you are 1:1, and are equal. But if you take your opponents goldmine then it's -1 for him and +1 for you, so you are up two gold mines, instead of 1, essentially.

For some reason, I find this really interesting to think about and wonder how much it applies to the real life.

Positive sum games are rare. It's easier to rip off than going on a risky sail to find your own blue ocean.

It's the people who steal the most that claims there is enough for everyone else. Not really.

[vibv]

11 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura your blog post on theft reminded me of something I heard from a twitch streamer who is an ex-pro gamer. He was talking about how in a zero sum game, taking away resources from your opponent in more efficient than doing your own thing. For example, if you opponent has a goldmine, and you get your own goldmine, than you are 1:1, and are equal. But if you take your opponents goldmine then it's -1 for him and +1 for you, so you are up two gold mines, instead of 1, essentially.

For some reason, I find this really interesting to think about and wonder how much it applies to the real life.

It applies as long as you see it as a zero sum game where some party has to lose for another to win.

But that's false. We could achieve something so much greater if we'd work together as one people of Earth instead of trying to win stupid games we ourselves created.

[Yimpa]

On 10/31/2024 at 6:08 PM, Yimpa said:

Grand Theft Auto

I commit infinite theft and I have infinite wanted level. I am looking for myself everywhere. I make sex and commit crime to myself baby!

[Bobby_2021]

Colonialism wasn't strictly profitable. But it didn't had to because the sheer destruction of the colonies effectively meant that the the colonialist maintained their edge. Zero sum over positive sum. 

[Davino]

On 31/10/2024 at 11:26 AM, Leo Gura said:

Theft, corruption, super-truth, terrorism, Zionism, etc -- all these topics will have videos.

Very excited to watch them

Particularly the one on Terrorism

I ask myself how are you gonna keep up with the ammount of videos you have planned and your production rate. Given also that you're working on a course. Do you plan at some point to increase the ratio of generation or you assume many interesting topics will never see the light of day?

[Yimpa]

I honestly watched myself trying to steal someone else’s girlfriend while simultaneously attempting to cheat on my partner. Once I admitted how evil that was of me to even consider, I let it go and I felt liberated from that obsession and fear.

The Devil is a trickster. 

Edited November 3, 2024 by Yimpa

[Yimpa]

The blog posts are like truth-bombs. They will shake you to your core.

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

I honestly watched myself trying to steal someone else’s girlfriend while simultaneously attempting to cheat on my partner. Once I admitted how evil that was of me to even consider, I let it go and I felt liberated from that obsession and fear.

The Devil is a trickster. 

The forbidden is appealing

There's something about sneaking a fry from your friend at McDonald's that just makes it taste better than your own.

[Yimpa]

12 minutes ago, Davino said:

There's something about sneaking a fry from your friend at McDonald's that just makes it taste better than your own.

That is ironic… I went there with my partner yesterday. They had stolen my fries when I was away, but when I came back they were honest about it and gave me some of their fries back in return.

But then it turns out that actually, they couldn’t tell which fries were theirs and which fries were mine.

[numbersinarow]

So, a lot of things are apparently theft, including even marketing, monopoly, and also taxation and tax-evasion simultaneously.

Let's say that someone claims both hunting and monopoly are theft. That is to say as much and as little as "this thing here can be divided into using a weapon and a wild animal dying, and this one can be divided into making it so that this designated group of people has less opportunities."

If a fundamentalist Christian reads leo's blog, I can see why he would agree, or someone who thinks there is a platonic form of theft, Otherwise it's wrong.

You don't even have to take anything to an extreme but remember there is no "objective definition of theft" floating out there in the universe. What effect does it have on someone to say "Reflect on how YOU are a thief."?

[lostingenosmaze]

Destiny's a theif for stealing Leo away from us to do the podcast 😩

[Scholar]

Just now, lostingenosmaze said:

Destiny's a theif for stealing Leo away from us to do the podcast 😩

They are doing the podcast? When?

[lostingenosmaze]

@Scholar I'm just purely speculating since Leo hasn't been active lately and didn't post anything on his daily blog. Leo did previously mention about planning a interview with Destiny

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

I'm just purely speculating since Leo hasn't been active lately and didn't post anything on his daily blog. Leo did previously mention about planning a interview with Destiny

It’s not a daily blog. It’s just lately he’s been on a blogging spree.

[Scholar]

7 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

@Scholar I'm just purely speculating since Leo hasn't been active lately and didn't post anything on his daily blog. Leo did previously mention about planning a interview with Destiny

I would have thought he would tell us before he went, like maybe to give him suggestions and whatever for the conversation.

[enchanted]

So where is the theft in the Harris/Waltz campaign?