Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[gettoefl]

8 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

So what if you pirate and steal subscription services. Does that stop being theft? 

Two wrongs always make a right

right?

[lostingenosmaze]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That quote was from a new video I have planned on the topic of theft.

Theft is a profound topic of itself.

Theft, corruption, super-truth, terrorism, Zionism, etc -- all these topics will have videos.

All the episodes and sequels Leo said he'll release in previous videos when he announces he's working on new video ideas to release before them:

[Loving Radiance]

Actualized Quotes #081

On the point of theft, here is a high-quality podcast that I was reminded of:

"How Offshore Finance Corrodes Culture, Politics & A Globalised World"

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1y16qp6vRVXet5e0PRC034

[Davino]

15 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Ultimately, it is the individual who has to do it. 

Well yes. You have public schools yet the individual has to study.

15 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

And I have no idea what it would look like collectively. Likely similar as Leo said: everyone kicking and screaming, not wanting to give up their cherished fantasies.

I was thinking more about an inverse of propaganda.

I think high quality education is what I was looking for, but on all age groups. Something like Actualized.org actually 

[Davino]

2 hours ago, lostingenosmaze said:

All the episodes and sequels Leo said he'll release in previous videos when he announces he's working on new video ideas to release before them:

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[Davino]

How am I a thief?

There is a clear example that I have been aware but just ignored it. I specifically bought an ebook to download all the books I wanted for free. I actually feel bad and plan in the near future to buy the books or give some donation to the authors. All this was deliberately planned in my mind and I just felt like it because it adds so much value to my life.As a tech savvy I'm quite guilty of piracy over the years.

I'll brainstorm more about this question.

Another thing that comes to mind is not taking with proper seriousness all that my parents payed when I was young. Not paying attention in class or extracurricular activities is a theft to my parents.

[Nemra]

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

As a tech savvy I'm quite guilty of piracy over the years

I'm monstrously guilty. 🥲

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Two wrongs always make a right

right?

 stealing stolen things is i right, right?

[Jayson G]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Recurring subscriptions are designed to be difficult to cancel and they prey on people forgetting to cancel.

That one biz model powers half the web. Why? Because theft is so effective at capturing value.

I didn't mean that all subscriptions are wrong. But plenty are.

@Leo Gura Thanks for addressing the recurring subscriptions. It is connected to my life purpose and I want to make sure that I am as conscious and as ethical as possible. I too dislike when companies like ClickFunnels make me go through 7 tricky hoops to cancel their absurdly expensive software. I will make my software easy to cancel and find other ways to make it conscious. My purpose for recurring subscriptions is just continuous cash flow for continuous expenses like employees, recurring development tech stacks, etc. 

Also looking forward to the videos on corruption and theft a lot. Corruption in particular would be a very useful video. One theme about corruption that keeps coming up for me as I keep noticing and letting go of corrupting behaviors in my life this past week is my connection to life, my authentic self, and honoring that as motivation to let go of corruption in my life. 

[Jayson G]

6 hours ago, The Renaissance Man said:

@Jayson G True, he did give examples. "AI" is an example, but it would help to clarify how AI is theft, or "marketing", how is exactly theft? How am I supposed to make my offer known, in a sea of sharks? I can do my best to make it honest and valuable, but am I forced to steal to survive or is there an alternative I'm not seeing?

Is actualized.org theft in some ways?

So I meant more examples of the dynamic of theft: what is stolen, why it's stolen, what even is theft in this subtler sense... 

Also, what's the solution? And each example is quite different in nature and level of corruption. If I hide research on UFOs, am I committing theft? What if I am a hacker and give that all out for free, am I committing theft because I stole and divulged the information without those people's consent?

I mean I'm asking about Robin Hood here lol. Is it possible that Robin Hood like behavior is a net positive in corrupt societies, but compared to super mature societies it's still a net negative? Like Spiral Dynamics, where lower levels of development are necessary for the survival in societies at those stages?

Maybe Leo isn't even saying to not be a thief at all (because it would mean not surviving), and we're misinterpreting it.

@The Renaissance Man These are pretty good examples. I'm actually curious about a lot of what you mentioned as well. 

I think Leo would cover the dynamics of theft in his video, but also curious about AI and marketing as for a lot of us this will be a part of our future as business owners going on our life purpose. 

And I also think Leo is not suggesting to not be a thief as well. Theft does appear to be a natural consequence of survival. By nature of survival, if I'm surviving, I am consuming all kinds of resources from my environment, resources from other living beings, the environment, resources not even mine. 

[Yimpa]

Related blog post “Is AI theft?”

https://www.actualized.org/insights/is-ai-theft

[UnbornTao]

On 10/31/2024 at 3:51 AM, Leo Gura said:

If you are just starting off, you may not care about corruption because you just want results. But at my advanced stage I care about corruption as an epistemic and spiritual matter. So I point it out as a favor to mankind, for those who care about such things.

I'd include the story of Lucifer in your video on corruption.

Using the "fallen angel" as an analogy for the creation and maintenance of the self, in order to point out the primordial "corruption."

Edited November 1, 2024 by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

11 hours ago, Davino said:

Well yes. You have public schools yet the individual has to study.

But this endeavor is seen as a substraction--removing something that is identified as part of one's life. We aren't very eager to undergo this process, and many outright oppose it. This is why personal ownership is crucial. Either you intent to eliminate your own fantasies, or it won't happen. A group effort can help by providing accountability, guidelines and direction--and that's a high standard to meet, yet doable.

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I was thinking more about an inverse of propaganda.

I think high quality education is what I was looking for, but on all age groups. Something like Actualized.org actually 

Got it. 

If people can begin to consider content of "spiritual" nature, that is sincere and real, despite their tendency to instantly perceive it as cultish or weird (which may be a potential risk), then that'd signify progress. People barely ask themselves any real questions in their lives, though. But hey, what you advocate for is certainly a positive direction, provided others are along for the ride.

Edited November 1, 2024 by UnbornTao

[Extreme Z7]

@Leo Gura You forgot socialism on that list of theft.

[Yimpa]

Grand Theft Auto

[tenfo]

I recently started fishing and now I'm triggered.

[Yimpa]

25 minutes ago, tenfo said:

I recently started fishing and now I'm triggered.

https://www.actualized.org/insights/spying-the-devil-fish

[Davino]

@UnbornTao Thanks for taking the time to answer 

[Bobby_2021]

@Leo Gura Theft can happen only if you own something. 

Ownership and right to own something is really a falsehood held by the government. How can you own anything really?

How can theft happen when you don't own anything in the first place?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@Leo Gura Theft can happen only if you own something. 

Ownership and right to own something is really a falsehood held by the government. How can you own anything really?

How can theft happen when you don't own anything in the first place?

Ownership is a construct, yet still, within that construct which everyone accepts, theft happens.