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[Leo Gura]

Palestinians for Zionists.

[Buck Edwards]

Baby Hilters for Leo. 

[Buck Edwards]

Crocodiles for Leo. 

 

[Yimpa]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/2024-election-prediction

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Electing Donald Trump to fix the world's problems is exactly like electing a fox to guard your hen house.

With that said, Kamala Harris is a mediocre and hollow presidential candidate. But, at least she's not a ravenous poison fox.

I like how Mr. Leo uses fox as a metaphor. It reminds me of Fox News. 

[Bobby_2021]

3 hours ago, Yimpa said:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/2024-election-prediction

I like how Mr. Leo uses fox as a metaphor. It reminds me of Fox News. 

If only this blog post went mainstream then that would turn a lot of sensible people from voting Trump. It's a Trump victory from what I see. 

Three comments regarding the last point with respect to pro Palestine, anti-war, anti-neoliberal leftists.

1) They are not anti Ukraine.

They are pro Ukraine in the sense that they think this war is futile, leading to the destruction of Ukraine, which is already suffering a demographic collapse. They want Russia to negotiate peace with Ukraine so that there will be a Ukraine at all. But west's attitude either you are with us or against us is leading nowhere but erasing Ukraine off the map.

2) For most of the people living elsewhere who have to directly face the consequences of the US foreign policy, weakening the US with Trump is a price to pay for weakening the American influence across the world. 

Which is why it's no wonder the destabilizing forces support Trump over Harris. Because stable America would destabilize the rest of the world. 

3) We are living in the age of post modernism, where all Truth matters. All are included. The worst kind of views now demand representation and would be represented. So it's logical that neofascist tech bros now demand their toxic view to be represented. Anything flies. There is no good or bad.

This also gives way for Trump to get represented and go mainstream.

[WritingHands]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

If only this blog post went mainstream then that would turn a lot of sensible people from voting Trump. It's a Trump victory from what I see. 

Three comments regarding the last point with respect to pro Palestine, anti-war, anti-neoliberal leftists.

1) They are not anti Ukraine.

They are pro Ukraine in the sense that they think this war is futile, leading to the destruction of Ukraine, which is already suffering a demographic collapse. They want Russia to negotiate peace with Ukraine so that there will be a Ukraine at all. But west's attitude either you are with us or against us is leading nowhere but erasing Ukraine off the map.

2) For most of the people living elsewhere who have to directly face the consequences of the US foreign policy, weakening the US with Trump is a price to pay for weakening the American influence across the world. 

Which is why it's no wonder the destabilizing forces support Trump over Harris. Because stable America would destabilize the rest of the world. 

3) We are living in the age of post modernism, where all Truth matters. All are included. The worst kind of views now demand representation and would be represented. So it's logical that neofascist tech bros now demand their toxic view to be represented. Anything flies. There is no good or bad.

This also gives way for Trump to get represented and go mainstream.

"They're not after the countries, they're after me. The countries are just in the way"

[Raze]

What democrats could have done is start going after trump legally right after he lost but then offer him an off-the record backroom deal to stop if he agrees not to run

[Lucasxp64]

On 26/10/2024 at 2:23 PM, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura do you know why everywhere I look on social media there is only support for Trump? Owen cook's comments, and even Eminem showed his support for Kamala harris and the whole internet is only talking about trump in Eminem's comments. 

Ew. Social media makes me sick in my stomach, I already find that results on Google are awful to begin with for most keywords, and long essays on YouTube and some forums/articles will have gold nuggets, and speaking with a LLM (ChatGPT, Mistral, Claude, etc) is much better for opinion-based information, even considering how flawed they are for logic and reasoning, they excel at lack of bias, even considering how censored the most censored models are.

The uncensored language models are also very unbiased and sane, I recommend trying them.

But they are still really dumb even then, I never found one that I can speak about direct experiential reality without it answering like the first articles that appears on google.

I recommend on duck.ai from it's from duckduckgo.

Edited October 29 by Lucasxp64

[Lucasxp64]

On 27/10/2024 at 10:09 AM, MAHAVATAR_-_BABAJI said:

I DO NOT SEE how Todd V. Is corruption or anything you guys are saying about pickup. He simply teaches you things you do wrong and how to speak to women. Not everyone is a natural at that.

I guess the point is that some people make it into their whole lives building rotating harems of 20-100 women and lying to them like a tech bro high on cocaine pitching to his investors, as opposed to someone doing it more holistically.

Some guys literally run WHOLE BUSINESSES to build actual business funnels to attract women at an actual industrial scale, and they create fake events and fake travels for "photo shooting" to getting extremely hot women to join them on their yachts and expensive vacations, and they obviously do it for the sex.

Edited October 30 by Lucasxp64

[Davino]

The Melian Dialogue & Zionism. The post is of utmost quality, both in content and structure, a pleasure to read.

What are the mechanisms by which entire civilizations undergo paradigm shifts in their fundamental beliefs? The fall of the Soviet Union serves as one example where an entire population had to confront the collapse of their ideological framework. While we often discuss how individuals overcome personal illusions, what would this process look like at a societal scale? What would a systematic, conscious approach to dissolving societal illusions look like—one that respects human sovereignity while promoting truth-seeking? Could we develop methods that are as powerful as mass propaganda but oriented toward liberation rather than control?

[Yimpa]

10 hours ago, Lucasxp64 said:

they obviously do it for the sex.

 

[Bobby_2021]

12 hours ago, Raze said:

What democrats could have done is start going after trump legally right after he lost but then offer him an off-the record backroom deal to stop if he agrees not to run

The leaders always agree with each other backdoor. These people have their families and friends in both parties.

They both will fuck us over before they let anything happen to their political opponents. The real divide is between the classes.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

While we often discuss how individuals overcome personal illusions, what would this process look like at a societal scale?

It would look like American politics. Like raving racist lunatics storming the Capitol and realizing that doesn't work.

[Davino]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It would look like American politics. Like raving racist lunatics storming the Capitol and realizing that doesn't work.

Yes, this would be a down to top approach example.

Could we explore how systematic ideological transformation could be initiated from leadership positions. Let's consider two hypothetical scenarios:

First, imagine Israel under the leadership of a wise president committed to transcending past rigid ideological frameworks. What concrete steps could be taken to guide the population beyond entrenched Zionist beliefs toward a more nuanced, mature understanding of identity and coexistence? How could this transition occur without simply replacing one dogma with another, but instead elevating collective consciousness?

Second, consider the U.S. political landscape. If a new administration took power, what methodologies could help repair political polarization and restore institutional integrity? How could leadership systematically address the manipulative effects of populist, fascit rhetoric while avoiding partisan approaches? What structural reforms might prevent future democratic destabilization and restore healthy political discourse?

Curious to understand your conscious politics answer

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

The Melian Dialogue & Zionism. The post is of utmost quality, both in content and structure, a pleasure to read.

@Davino  where to find this Melian Dialogue & Zionism? Is it and Essay?

[Davino]

@Rafael Thundercat His last blog post

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-melian-dialogue-and-zionism

[Leo Gura]

38 minutes ago, Davino said:

Yes, this would be a down to top approach example.

Could we explore how systematic ideological transformation could be initiated from leadership positions. Let's consider two hypothetical scenarios:

First, imagine Israel under the leadership of a wise president committed to transcending past rigid ideological frameworks. What concrete steps could be taken to guide the population beyond entrenched Zionist beliefs toward a more nuanced, mature understanding of identity and coexistence? How could this transition occur without simply replacing one dogma with another, but instead elevating collective consciousness?

Second, consider the U.S. political landscape. If a new administration took power, what methodologies could help repair political polarization and restore institutional integrity? How could leadership systematically address the manipulative effects of populist, fascit rhetoric while avoiding partisan approaches? What structural reforms might prevent future democratic destabilization and restore healthy political discourse?

Curious to understand your conscious politics answer

My politics is very pragmatic. I don't see that such theoretical approaches will change anything.

The real answer is to deeply study the work we do here, and in the meantime mankind will behave like a pack of ravenous hyenas.

The real levers for raising mankind is education and technology. Those two things over decades make the biggest difference. Mankind evolves naturally, but slowly.

As far as systemic changes to government, I would propose a serious focus on anti-corruption measures. Hundreds of small changes that make corruption by either party unsustainable. But of course, this is precisely what will be rejected by everyone.

Any policy proposal that seriously cures corruption must be rejected by a corrupt society. So here we are.

At this point I will be happy if America still has a democracy in 4 years. I doubt it.

Edited October 30 by Leo Gura

[Davino]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My politics is very pragmatic. I don't see that such theoretical approaches will change anything.

Ultimately, humanity will reach a point where confronting these profound questions about social and political transformation becomes unavoidable.

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The real answer is to deeply study the work we do here, and in the meantime mankind will behave like a pack of ravenous hyenas.

That was my approach in yellow SD, but since I'm getting more stable in turquoise I cannot let humanity jump of the cliff. I care for humanity, I wanna make an impact to it in some way or the other, maybe through understanding the mechanics of the mind and society at large.

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The real levers for raising mankind is education and technology. Those two things over decades make the biggest difference. Mankind evolves naturally, but slowly.

Makes sense. I'll consider them more heavily in my understanding of society.

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As far as systemic changes to government, I would propose a serious focus on anti-corruption measures. Hundreds of small changes that make corruption by either party unsustainable. But of course, this is precisely what will be rejected by everyone. Any policy proposal that seriously cures corruption must be rejected by a corrupt society. So here we are.

It's a very good proposal but as you point out the problem of auditing is at the core of anti-corruption measures. Are citizens going to oversight the governement? Are we gonna build international independent auditing institutions? This could be more systematic. A quick practical policy could be strengthening whistleblower protections and investigative journalism. That alone could help a lot.

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

At this point I will be happy if America still has a democracy in 4 years. I doubt it.

Do you think America is at risk of losing its hegemony?

Edited October 30 by Davino

[Jayson G]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My politics is very pragmatic. I don't see that such theoretical approaches will change anything.

The real answer is to deeply study the work we do here, and in the meantime mankind will behave like a pack of ravenous hyenas.

The real levers for raising mankind is education and technology. Those two things over decades make the biggest difference. Mankind evolves naturally, but slowly.

As far as systemic changes to government, I would propose a serious focus on anti-corruption measures. Hundreds of small changes that make corruption by either party unsustainable. But of course, this is precisely what will be rejected by everyone.

Any policy proposal that seriously cures corruption must be rejected by a corrupt society. So here we are.

At this point I will be happy if America still has a democracy in 4 years. I doubt it.

@Leo Gura "At this point I will be happy if America still has a democracy in 4 years. I doubt it." .. what does that mean exactly though? dictatorship? a highly flawed democracy? collapse of government? 

 

[Lucasxp64]

2 hours ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura "At this point I will be happy if America still has a democracy in 4 years. I doubt it." .. what does that mean exactly though? dictatorship? a highly flawed democracy? collapse of government? 

 

Project 2025 sounds on paper all of the above.

https://www.actualized.org/insights/project-2025-undercover

https://www.actualized.org/insights/project-2025-out-loud

https://www.actualized.org/insights/project-2025-warning

Edited October 30 by Lucasxp64