Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[lostingenosmaze]

I had the opposite shower thought: If Christ came down from Heaven, it would be the Christians that would first put him up at the stake for being too radical and far-off from their dogmatic worldview, claiming he's the Antichrist. I prefer this cinematic irony 

[LoneWonderer]

Thank you for sharing that peace index in the latest post very interesting to see. I live in New Zealand which is in the top 5 most peaceful countries and life here's great! 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, lostingenosmaze said:

If Christ came down from Heaven, it would be the Christians that would first put him up at the stake for being too radical and far-off from their dogmatic worldview, claiming he's the Antichrist.

That works too. But I wanted to point out the connection between Trump and the Antichrist, given it's election season.

Edited October 18 by Leo Gura

[Jehovah increases]

3 hours ago, lostingenosmaze said:

I had the opposite shower thought: If Christ came down from Heaven, it would be the Christians that would first put him up at the stake for being too radical and far-off from their dogmatic worldview, claiming he's the Antichrist. I prefer this cinematic irony 

[Keryo Koffa]

3 hours ago, lostingenosmaze said:

I had the opposite shower thought: If Christ came down from Heaven, it would be the Christians that would first put him up at the stake for being too radical and far-off from their dogmatic worldview, claiming he's the Antichrist. I prefer this cinematic irony 

Why this dichotomy, I'm sure they'd do both simultaneously 😁

[JosephKnecht]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That works too. But I wanted to point out the connection between Trump and the Antichrist, given it's election season.

Based on how much you talk about Trump, we must conclude you are secretly in love with him.  

If God were to create a mirror in which human selfishness can be reflected, could he create a better mirror than Trump? 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, JosephKnecht said:

Based on how much you talk about Trump

Trump is so dangerous that I don't talk about him enough.

You guys don't understand how corrupt he and the people around him are. It's way worse than you think and his reelection would be disastrous.

Edited October 18 by Leo Gura

[Davino]

Regarding the peaceful index I would like to remark something. It's interesting to correlate peace with ambition.

For example, my country is next to Portugal and I can attest the Portuguese people have a very peaceful approach to life. Although, this fact seems to go in detriment of their economical ambitions and goes with a flaire of complacency.

I'm also curious to contrast the global peace index with the corruption index and find out interesting correlations.

[Leo Gura]

Ambition leads to quite a bit of violence, because it largely comes from an insatiable ego.

Which is why America is so violent and doesn't make the top 10 in peace or happiness.

Edited October 18 by Leo Gura

[Davino]

Peace and societal well-being don't have a simple linear relationship. Too much peace can breed complacency and weakness, especially in younger generations unused to hardship. War, obviously, has immediate devastating effects.

I'm particularly interested in the downsides of very peaceful societies. These negatives are less obvious than the clear harms of violent societies, but potentially important. Peaceful societies might lack resilience or struggle to adapt to challenges. They could become overly risk-averse or lose certain valuable traits that adversity tends to cultivate. I don't glorify conflict, but I certainly acknowledge that some level of challenge or adversity might be necessary for societal health and individual development. 

Geographic challenges shape national character. The Maltese and Georgians, facing historical invasions and strategic locations, developed resilience and perseverance. Icelanders, relatively isolated, didn't face the same pressures and thus didn't cultivate these specific traits. Adversity can forge certain virtues in a population. It's not that Icelanders lack positive qualities, but rather that their unique circumstances led to different cultural adaptations. Hence their peaceful attitude to life, they could afford it in a way.

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Dear Leo, how dare you insult best Korea. How are they a failed state when they produce such slick military ads?

 

Edited October 18 by Husseinisdoingfine

[LordFall]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump is so dangerous that I don't talk about him enough.

You guys don't understand how corrupt he and the people around him are. It's way worse than you think and his reelection would be disastrous.

Would you make a video breaking him down similar to how you did with Jordan Peterson? 

[Rafael Thundercat]

6 hours ago, Davino said:

Peace and societal well-being don't have a simple linear relationship. Too much peace can breed complacency and weakness, especially in younger generations unused to hardship. War, obviously, has immediate devastating effects.

Agree with the nuance you are asking. I am in Portugal now and yes, is relatively Peacefull but also Full of Elderly people, young people going away from the country to other European places looking for oportunities, a housing Crisis in the main Capitals and other Institutional and Infrastuctural problems, yes peacefull but also sort of no real Growth going on. Some expats from rich countries are thriving here since some are retired elders that recive good retirement and live above the population quality of life, but for the locals or some of the locals life quality is decreasing. Fires and Very Dry Summers are Desertifing the land year by year. And as far as I see the Farming is low, the soil is mostly Rocky and big dependency on Turism as a main source of GDP. So the Question or Dilema is: Do you want to live peacefully in a Broke place or Life in a Difficult place where things are happening?

[Davino]

@Rafael Thundercat Indeed it's a delicate equilibirum that needs to be stablished.

[Ulax]

16 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Dear Leo, how dare you insult best Korea. How are they a failed state when they produce such slick military ads?

 

Life purpose identified  

[Davino]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-072

This quote reminded me about the stories of Edward Snowden and Julian Assange

[aurum]

Re: Global Peace Index

I agree with @Davino in that I’d like to see an index that is more holistic in its assessment. A meta-index, if you will.

I have some statistical training and could probably make something like this. The biggest limitation I see is that our data collection for spiritual development is woefully inadequate, with the Global Spirituality Index being the closest thing I could find. This is expected but also unfortunate from our POV.

Really someone here could make a whole Life Purpose out of improving our data collection around spiritual development. Many of the people tracking these things don’t know what to look for, or that its even worth collecting data on.

Edited October 19 by aurum

[Davino]

@aurum  It's just another index. My point was about understanding that index and if more was better as the given assumption supposes.

1 hour ago, aurum said:

Really someone here could make a whole Life Purpose out of improving our data collection around spiritual development. Many of the people tracking these things don’t know what to look for, or that its even worth collecting data on.

I agree but it's hard to say. There's no easy way to measure consciousness and different individuals value diverse states of consciousness so, hard to make a global spirituality index. Although it's certainly an interesting challenge to ponder. 

[ryandesreu]

Leo, your blog is so profound lately, it could be written entirely with the black actualized.org text. oh, wait... 😉 😄

[Davino]

I've certainly seen the the tail of the tiger of corruption. An episode would be real crude.

Idk, maybe consider posting the more extreme material just on the blog. Like the video you are planing on terrorism.