Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Nemra]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

But he said being neither in or out the system.

Or we can be objective about another system but not to ours', which means that we are observing another system from the outside but inside our system. But I don't think that, in this case, being objective is actually objective.

Or maybe I'm wrong what he meant.

[Yimpa]

18 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Or maybe I'm wrong what he meant.

You're right about being wrong.

[Nemra]

Just now, Yimpa said:

You're right about being wrong.

At least I could be right. 😁

[Princess Arabia]

23 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Or we can be objective about another system but not to ours', which means that we are observing another system from the outside but inside our system. But I don't think that, in this case, being objective is actually objective.

Or maybe I'm wrong what he meant.

Oh, I get what you mean. Maybe that's it. Only explanation.

[LittoDitto]

I'd like to see more art.

[Nemra]

33 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Oh, I get what you mean. Maybe that's it. Only explanation.

Even if we think of ourselves as objective, what would being objective mean? Being aware of the system you're in? Moving into another system, if so, how many are there and which one could we go into, and would we stay objective as we are going to be affected by the system?

😅

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

Even if we think of ourselves as objective, what would being objective mean? Being aware of the system you're in? Moving into another system, if so, how many are there and which one could we go into, and would we stay objective as we are going to be affected by the system?

😅

"Being aware of the system we're in" is referring to your true nature as Awareness which isn't affected by anything.

[LoseYourvelf]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Do ya'll prefer when I share YT videos as posts or write text posts?

The texts ones might get a  bit Tweet-y but again when its all 8 hour vids its going the other way a bit lol

 

leo ur OG 5meo vid is next level, respect, also the AL-LAD was the best ever take I've heard of my LSD experiences, and the martin ball 5meo one, he's cool af

Edited October 6, 2024 by LoseYourvelf

[Clarence]

I guess, one way to be both inside and outside a system is by doing immersion types of work.

My friend is a philosopher and anthropologist and she's done immersions in nursing homes and psychiatric hospitals to get closely in touch with the work and day to day activities of nurses, workers, and even residents, to get a big picture understanding and write a report on how the system could be improved.

It's just one example, but she was outside the system as a researcher, but also immerged in it in her work. Pretty much, as close as one can be without becoming a nurse or a resident herself.

Though I guess, to go even further, one way to get both perspectives could have been to do the study from outside first, maybe even without fully immerging herself, and then, go all in by going through all the studies and working as an nurse in an institution for a few years.

Then, she would have had an even more comprehensive view. But I think that working closely to nurses for months or years, listening to them, and closely observing their work, already puts her in a position where she's both in and out of the system.

[Staples]

3 hours ago, Clarence said:

I guess, one way to be both inside and outside a system is by doing immersion types of work.

My friend is a philosopher and anthropologist and she's done immersions in nursing homes and psychiatric hospitals to get closely in touch with the work and day to day activities of nurses, workers, and even residents, to get a big picture understanding and write a report on how the system could be improved.

Smart girl.

Edited October 6, 2024 by Staples

[Nemra]

Perfectly said.

This is like throwing acid on a Christian's face.

Edited October 6, 2024 by Nemra

[Space]

On 04/10/2024 at 9:40 AM, Leo Gura said:

Good to know. It's hard for me to tell whether people find the blog useful or even know it exists.

I certainly do. Been reading the blog ever since you started it.

Great to see what kind of stuff you're watching, studying, thinking about.

I always really enjoyed the vlog-style videos you posted on the blog - just as much as the main channel content. They kinda felt more real and personal, whereas the main channel videos are more polished and less about you. 

[Vibes]

@Leo Gura I have neighbors who practice these kinds of rituals. They dance, chant, and play drums. They kill chicken and goat, and I suspect they killed a horse a while ago… Also, the main guy sometimes gets 'possessed' and start screaming like crazy.

I used to fear this kind of thing, but now it doesn't bother me anymore, except for the killing of animals.

It's interesting that these beliefs are thought from an early age and by the time they are adults they can actually create being possessed with their minds. The power of beliefs.

 

[CARDOZZO]

Jesus is a cognitive architecture.

[CARDOZZO]

51 minutes ago, Vibes said:

@Leo Gura I have neighbors who practice these kinds of rituals. They dance, chant, and play drums. They kill chicken and goat, and I suspect they killed a horse a while ago… Also, the main guy sometimes gets 'possessed' and start screaming like crazy.

I used to fear this kind of thing, but now it doesn't bother me anymore, except for the killing of animals.

It's interesting that these beliefs are thought from an early age and by the time they are adults they can actually create being possessed with their minds. The power of beliefs.

 

Here in Brazil we have Umbanda, Quimbanda and Candomblé.

They have similar rituals to what you've written. 

[LoseYourvelf]

Jesus lived

[Sine]

On 4.10.2024 at 10:40 AM, Leo Gura said:

@Staples Good to know. It's hard for me to tell whether people find the blog useful or even know it exists.

I read the blog more than the forum. I like that it's clean and without comments

[LoseYourvelf]

JESUS.... LIVED

[Francis777]

Yeah the blog is great, you should post more. I always check it before coming onto the forum, So many golden nuggets.

[aurum]

An insight I had while watching the video on Voodoo in Benin: stage purple culture use deities to ground law and order.

Reality is essentially epistemological anarchy. You can believe anything, regardless of the truth of it. There are no “objective” truths written in the universe that could not be denied or challenged. And this presents a deep challenge for organizing human survival.

Who is to say whether we should cut down the mangroves or not? And why should your opinion be the right one? What if someone else has a different one?

This is a recipe for chaos and dysfunction.

Thus, human societies do two things to ground law and order:

1) Appeal to some sort of higher authority

2) Enforce that appeal with violence

You have to do both of these things, because just one is not enough. Without the appeal to a higher authority, you have no way to justify law. And without violence, someone could still always just disagree. So force is necessary.

Modern liberal democracies do with the power of the judicial / legal system. You appeal to a higher authority (in this case “laws” that have been passed by government) and back it up with state-sponsored violence (police, national guard, military etc).

But in stage purple societies, courts do not exist. And there really is no need for them to, given the size of these tribes vs modern nation states.

Instead, law and order is grounded by appealing to the higher authority of supernatural deities. This solves a big chunk of the problem of epistemological anarchy, as there is now something considered beyond human opinion that we can point to and say “this is what’s true”. And of course it is still backed up with the second criteria of threat of violence.

It really is an ingenious survival strategy. But of course in order for this to work, people must actually believe in the authority of these deities. Everything hangs on this.

Thus, challenging the existence or authority of these deities would not just harmless critical thinking. No! You would be potentially threatening the entire survival strategy of that culture. It’s that serious.