Who is more lustful, men or women?

[Emerald]

14 hours ago, yetineti said:

Imagine men and women are both seeking nourishment at a banquet. The banquet represents emotional and physical fulfillment.

Women, in this analogy, are like chefs with access to a wide variety of ingredients. They can curate, choose, and wait for the best meal because they have more access to the process. They know that when they make a choice, it will be a meal worth savoring, carefully selecting what will truly fulfill them in the long term.

Men, on the other hand, are like scavengers in a sense. They’re trying to find a satisfying meal but are often left hungry or with fewer options. So, when they finally find something to eat, even if it’s not the best quality or what they were hoping for, they grab it out of hunger. As a result, this can give the impression that men only care about the quantity of food, not the quality, when really they’re just not given the same access to nourishment.

That's not quite how it is for women. 

When it comes to sex itself, there's a lot of abundance. But that doesn't mean that much to the average woman as there isn't typically a strong drive to seek out sexual experiences with lots of guys. Perhaps here and there. But it's just not that exciting.

And the drive is more towards emotional experiences, and that is quite rare to come across. So, there isn't really a sense of abundance from our point of view, because we don't view abundance of sexual options as what's valuable to us. In many cases, it can be like water, water everywhere but not a drop to drink.

But men do have to work more for sex. And I'm sure that plays into the stronger craving for it.

But there's also just a biological driver there that makes sexual sensation itself more compelling to seek out for a man. There is a strong biological driver towards sexual sensation and ejaculation itself. And women don't have that as same intensity of drive towards pure sexual sensation for purely biological reasons.

Instead, we tend to need emotions to compel us in that direction. And that's a bit more difficult to come by. And without that, the drive towards sexual sensation 8 times out of 10 isn't compelling enough to seek out sex or self-pleasuring. 

 

[Yimpa]

17 minutes ago, Emerald said:

And women don't have that as same intensity of drive towards pure sexual sensation for purely biological reasons.

Do hormones play a significant role?

[Emerald]

Just now, Yimpa said:

Do hormones play a significant role?

Yes. The presence of more Testosterone will lead to a higher drive towards the physical experience of sex.

And Testosterone can even sometimes be given to post-menopausal women who are experiencing a decrease in their sex drive.

[yetineti]

Environment can also affect hormones.

Hormones do not exist or act independently.

 

 

Edited October 4 by yetineti

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, yetineti said:

Environment can also affect hormones.

Hormones do not exist or act independently.

Do you say this because you believe that hormones aren't naturally different between men and women... and that they don't impact men and women's sex drive differently?

And are you saying that men and women's hormonal differences are environmental?

This seems to be what you're implying because you seem to be using it as a rebuttal to my statement that men have a stronger drive towards the physical act of sex and ejaculation due to hormones like Testosterone. 

[Leo Gura]

Estrogen makes women more horny. So it's not just testosterone. There is more than one path up the mountain of horniness.

Edited October 5 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Estrogen makes women more horny. So it's not just testosterone. There is more than one path up the mountain of horniness.

But teenage girls and women in their prime have tons of estrogen. So, then why aren’t they horny as often as men are?

[Buck Edwards]

45 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

But teenage girls and women in their prime have tons of estrogen. So, then why aren’t they horny as often as men are?

They are, just with the right men. 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

They are, just with the right men. 

More like the wrong men

[RendHeaven]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

More like the wrong men

haha yep

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

More like the wrong men

Wrong for you. Right for them 

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Hardkill said:

But teenage girls and women in their prime have tons of estrogen. So, then why aren’t they horny as often as men are?

Because the feminine is like a flower, unless the conditions are right it cannot open and spread it's fragrance.

The masculine is like a bee from flower to flower hoping one to open for him, yet the horniness is what gets him the chemical boost that overpowers its insecurities and allows him to eventually succeed and reproduce.

Both activities are the result of an insanely complex million year intelligent evolution. It's for the survival of the species and the human form. That's the crude truth that moves all sexuality.

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

Wrong for you. Right for them 

Would you have this approach with your daughter?

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Davino said:

Would you have this approach with your daughter?

If I had a daughter (in the future ) she would be free to explore her sexuality with men. Why not? If she gets hurt, she will learn her lessons. We're biologically attracted to whoever we are attracted to. It takes a lot emotional labor and effort, but that only happens when we make mistakes. It is still possible to be highly conscious (I doubt if it's possible to be that way in mating since we're so hard wired biologically especially in attraction) just organically but varies from person to person and is dependent on their ingrained disposition, yet if she happens to act immature in her choices, that would be her femininity and I won't judge her narrowly for it. I'll let her be wild and explore with men as much as she wants. Of course I'll teach her about toxic men and manipulation that often some men use in netting women, yet I won't confine her freedom if she wants to explore the world of men sexually. Attraction is too biological, it's not like mathematics, it's not 1+1 = 2, and of course there's some advantage to why women sleep with bad boys or else why would they be in such relationships, yet there's toxicity in a lot of such relationships and if a woman realizes that, it will be good for her to make a matured decision. Some men can be fun, despite being toxic. It's a challenge to navigate, because women want the fun part minus the toxicity. Some men can be exceptionally good but boring, we are women, we are emotional creatures, we need to be horny, we need to be turned on by a guy, we can't help our own nature, we think with our hearts and we often make mistakes because of emotional thinking, if you catch my drift. If my  hypothetical daughter (I don't have one) wanted to be immature, I will let her go through the phase and test the waters. I would definitely caution her but I won't snatch her freedom. 

[Davino]

@Buck Edwards I catch your drift. It was brilliant.

Catch mine:

Better she doesn't get pregnant at 16

You see that's why people are usually more conservative with children, the price can be quite high. So people don't dare to dance in the sharp sword edge, although it's the straight path.

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Davino said:

@Buck Edwards I catch your drift. It was brilliant.

Catch mine:

Better she doesn't get pregnant at 16

You see that's why people are usually more conservative with children, the price can be quite high. So people don't dare to dance in the sharp sword edge, although it's the straight path.

There are contraceptives. If you have heard of them. Condoms? 

No way do I ever want to sleep with a man who doesn't want to use condoms, no matter whoever he is, he can be Brad Pitt for all I care, I'm never getting pregnant without planning, same will be for my daughter. My mom taught me not to ever get pregnant without marrying, I don't judge it strongly, yet I just don't want to ever end up a single mother (not judging single moms by any means) but I don't want unplanned pregnancies. 

A guy who doesn't want to use condoms - STRAIGHT UP REJECT. Toxic or not, that is a clear boundary. 

He can have other issues like anger issues or other types of toxicities (if he is fucking hot) but in the bedroom it has to be my sovereignty. If I'm not going to be treated like a princess (actually animal ) in the bedroom and he says no to Condoms, he can walk straight out the door. No respect for my sexual needs, then I don't want him, he can be the hottest but for me it's a pass. No compromise in the bed whatsoever. 

Lots of hot guys out there who respect a woman's sexual wishes. My bedroom, my body, my rules. (same for my daughter) 

[Emerald]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Estrogen makes women more horny. So it's not just testosterone. There is more than one path up the mountain of horniness.

From AI on a Google search...

"Testosterone is generally considered the hormone more directly associated with arousal, particularly in males, while estrogen plays a significant role in female sexual desire and arousal, but to a lesser extent compared to testosterone in men; both hormones contribute to sexual function in their respective sexes."

[Leo Gura]

I know from direct experience when my gf started taking feminine hormone supplements it made her sex drive crazy where before it was low.

[Emerald]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I know from direct experience when my gf started taking feminine hormone supplements it made her sex drive crazy where before it was low.

Did you read my response?

Yes, Estrogen increases sex drive... but not as much as Testosterone.

But I kind of feel like you just like to argue with me because you seem to have some resistance to when I talk about these kinds of topics.

I feel like, if I were saying that men and women have the same level of drive towards the physical experience of sex, you'd be arguing with me about that and saying "No, men and women have differing sex drives as a part of our biology."

In fact, you just gave a similar argument to this argument yesterday about chimps choosing between male and female toys.

But because I'm like "Men and women have differing sex drives as a part of our biology." you're seem to be implying that, 'No, men and women's sex drives are totally equivalent. And women want sex and orgasms just as often as men do.'

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Did you read my response?

Yes. I wasn't arguing with you. I was providing anecdotal evidence strengthen our claim.

Edited October 5 by Leo Gura