A World Without Religion

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

@Spiritual Warfare, let religious people stay in their dumb reality.

Sadly, I have to accept it. Even Leo accepts it, which breaks my heart into pieces.

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Give me one good reason to keep religion, besides forming a community.

As i've said, allowing you to play "crusader against religions" persona.

It's terrible, because you could be doing more interesting things like having a girlfriend or starting a business rather than struggling and stressing like that about something that doesn't even concern you and is ultimately as polarized into good and bad consequences as any other phenomenon ; If it wasn't religions well it would be another delirium like climate change, immigration, politic in general, a TV show, a TV series, a problem with your neighbor or idk what else.

You do this because you think it makes you powerful, which is very false; it is just a mirage because your psyche is abnormally biased by an unresolved Oedipal complex, and certainly other traumas that were generated later in childhood.

[What Am I]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I agree that the mystical is great, but unfortunately, it’s not what is preached today. That’s why I don’t want religion to continue existing.

Fair enough, but I think the end result of what you're suggesting would be a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There has to be a way to back people into the true purpose of their religions, rather than stripping them away entirely. Doing so could inadvertently produce a darkness that's difficult to predict.

[Atb210201]

19 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Yes, but it’s not what is being preached in today’s society, and that is why it is a problem, my friend.

Even today it is as what I've said my brother.

If you keep the fights between religions aside they all are pointing to the truths of life.

And all of them can be a good resource for lots of wisdom.

It's just the fanaticism that's the problem and thinking you have the monopoly on truth.

Fun fact the word fan comes from fanatical. This idol worship this idolatry is the root problem of humankind; whether it is about theism (supernaturalism) or atheism (naturalism) or any other ism.

Edited October 2 by Atb210201

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

As i've said, allowing you to play "crusader against religions" persona.

It's terrible, because you could be doing more interesting things like having a girlfriend or starting a business rather than struggling and stressing like that about something that doesn't even concern you and is ultimately as polarized into good and bad consequences as any other phenomenon ; If it wasn't religions well it would be another delirium like climate change, immigration, politic in general, a TV show, a TV series, a problem with your neighbor or idk what else.

You do this because you think it makes you powerful, which is very false; it is just a mirage because your psyche is abnormally biased by an unresolved Oedipal complex, and certainly other traumas that were generated later in childhood.

You should be a comedian.

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

You should be a comedian.

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

17 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Fair enough, but I think the end result of what you're suggesting would be a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There has to be a way to back people into the true purpose of their religions, rather than stripping them away entirely. Doing so could inadvertently produce a darkness that's difficult to predict.

I agree to some extent, but something has to change because apparently speaking to them won’t change anything.

[Spiritual Warfare]

15 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Even today it is as what I've said my brother.

If you keep the fights between religions aside they all are pointing to the truths of life.

And all of them can be a good resource for lots of wisdom.

It's just the fanaticism that's the problem and thinking you have the monopoly on truth.

Fun fact the word fan comes from fanatical. This idol worship this idolatry is the root problem of humankind; whether it is about theism (supernaturalism) or atheism (naturalism) or any other ism.

It can contain very good wisdom, but it’s not going to help society grow forward, because the bad outweighs the good in these books.

[Spiritual Warfare]

14 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

 

 

[TheAlchemist]

Religion is not the problem, it is a symptom of the problem. And so are all forms of ideology, in which we are inescapably embedded, whether religious or not. Our modern ideologies just present themselves as being "post-ideological", which is of course just a facade that protects the ideology from failure and allows it to keep running.

The question isn't even how to escape religion/ideology, but how to better understand how ideology functions. When we understand better how ideology functions, there is some possibility of failure. We are looking for the one successful ideology, when really we need the one that utterly convinces us, yet also utterly fails.

Only total failure can bring something new. And we aren't there yet. 

Edited October 2 by TheAlchemist

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

 

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[Nemra]

14 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Sadly, I have to accept it. Even Leo accepts it, which breaks my heart into pieces.

Well, you can't not accept it, because the truth is that religious people exist.

Aside from the brainwashing and delusions, the problem is that religions see themselves as absolutes, even if they acknowledge the existence of other religions.

There needs to be put limits on them somehow, which is beyond our control.

[Spiritual Warfare]

15 minutes ago, TheAlchemist said:

Religion is not the problem, it is a symptom of the problem. And so are all forms of ideology, in which we are inescapably embedded, whether religious or not. Our modern ideologies just present themselves as being "post-ideological", which is of course just a facade that protects the ideology from failure and allows it to keep running.

The question isn't even how to escape religion/ideology, but how to better understand how ideology functions. When we understand better how ideology functions, there is some possibility of failure. We are looking for the one successful ideology, when really we need the one that utterly convinces us, yet also utterly fails.

Only total failure can bring something new. And we aren't there yet. 

Many conflicts and wars have a direct connection to religious beliefs, indicating that religion itself can be a triggering factor rather than merely a symptom. For example, religious groups have sometimes fought to promote their belief systems at the expense of others.

Furthermore, political authorities may exploit religion to justify war, oppression, and inequality, demonstrating that religion can be a direct source of problems rather than just a symptom.

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

15 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

The very strong reaction to religion seems very ideological. Age old systems cannot be invalidated overnight. 

Nothing destroys humanity more than lack of humanity.

You're imposing way too much responsibility on religion. I'm yet to see concrete evidence of the connection between deep human suffering mass scale and religion. Wars have been fought, but mostly for political reasons. And even if religion is involved, it's mostly that the agenda is twisted for political gains. 

You give far too much credit to religion for the destruction of humanity than it deserves. 

This thread is classic ideological demagogury. 

You mentioned that agendas can be twisted for political gain. But doesn’t this imply that religion can serve as a tool to legitimize and reinforce power structures that lead to oppression and suffering?

How do you explain the many historical instances where religion has been a central factor in conflicts, such as the Middle East?

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

16 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Well, you can't not accept it, because the truth is that religious people exist.

Aside from the brainwashing and delusions, the problem is that religions see themselves as absolutes, even if they acknowledge the existence of other religions.

There needs to be put limits on them somehow, which is beyond our control.

There must be something. It’s going to be very hard, but I can’t accept that it’s beyond our control, even though it looks like it.

[Nemra]

6 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

There must be something. It’s going to be very hard, but I can’t accept that it’s beyond our control, even though it looks like it.

Maybe you can have an effect.

But I don't want to do it, as it's full of drama.

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Maybe you can have an effect.

But I don't want to do it, as it's full of drama.

I respect your opinion and understand it fully, but from my perspective, I believe that even though it’s going to be full of drama, it will be good in the long run if we make it happen. However, if it doesn’t, you have to accept the circumstances, which will be the hardest thing for a guy like me and many others to do.

[Nemra]

Maybe, I don't know.

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Maybe, I don't know.

What do you think of this?

[Buck Edwards]

If there's no dogma, humans will invent it. 

If you want change in religion or world, you'll need tectonic shifts in human consciousness on a mass scale like a mushrooming of stage Turquoise throughout the world. 

Elevating human consciousness is tough. One human baby at a time. That's why the work of spiritualists is so fundamental to human change. 

Cultural shift. Shift in global consciousness. Not impossible. But a lofty goal. Gigantic effort. Start with one human.