Western Masculinity Crisis Explained by ChatGPT

[Nemra]

@Alexop, what do you think people could generally do to not suppress their masculinity or femininity in a masculine or feminine society?

Do you think society can integrate both without suppressing the other?

Edited October 2 by Nemra

[Atb210201]

The most masculine trait is moving forward despite of everything and protecting others.

Keep moving forward and protect and provide for others and you are gonna be masculinity manifested on earth.

Aka "Bravery", "Strength" and "Provision".

It shows strength and power and trust that you are in safe hands to others.

A masculine man has the power to protect and provide for others and also keeps moving forward in the face of every crisis.

He is basically A Warrior; A Hero.

Edited October 2 by Atb210201

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

Maybe it's focused on the root causes of the things you are describing. 

I only asked ChatGPT one question, though.

Claude AI is a different beast. It gave me a different response, but you wouldn't like it either.

I don't say it is wrong, I see it as a philosophical answer that does not really help us fix the problem. It is a Greenish answer. This issue is very complex, it needs a Tier 2 construct aware approach. The post-modernists are now deconstructing the social constructions, but they do not take into account our biology, the romantical and social dynamics. As Leo said, men have to be forged, other men have to teach you how to become a man. First we need to seriously understand what masculinity is in order to be able to teach a boy how to become man. I bet money that those gender studies professors have no clue about what masculinity really is, so here you have it. It is like finishing engineering school without learning calculus. 

Edited October 2 by Alexop

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

@Alexop, what do you think people could generally do to not suppress their masculinity or femininity in a masculine or feminine society?

Do you think society can integrate both without suppressing the other?

Of course we can do that. In order to not supress ourselves and each other we have to be inclusive for real, not this partial Stage Green inclusivity who exclude the perpetrators and masculine people. When you really include all the parts of yourself and all the types of people, then you are inclusive. But for now we have this feminine inclusivity. Are you masculine? We don't do that here. 

That is real diversity, accepting everybody. The conservative circles supress femininity in men and leftist circles supress their masculinity. Look at leftist guys, they are all the same because they were pushed into conformity. Having some fancy hippie clothes and tatoos is not diversity, diversity is in behavior, vibe, and values.

Now I am exaggerating, my ex swedish girlfriend accepted my masculinity after she got to know me, and many mature letftists will let their gard down and stop prejudging you after they get to know you well, especially women. But I did not grow up in Sweden, but is shitty Romania, where my masculinity was not supressed. I just had to discover and accept  my feminine part. If you grow up in Sweden and all men behave in this boyish way, you don't see any problem, you have no refference point, like a fish who does not see the water.

Edited October 2 by Alexop

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Atb210201 said:

The most masculine trait is moving forward despite of everything and protecting others.

Keep moving forward and protect and provide for others and you are gonna be masculinity manifested on earth.

Aka "Bravery", "Strength" and "Provision".

It shows strength and power and trust that you are in safe hands to others.

A masculine man has the power to protect and provide for others and also keeps moving forward in the face of every crisis.

He is basically A Warrior; A Hero.

Beautiful

A man is like a bicycle, he needs to head somewhere otherwise he will fall apart.

He leads, he protects, he knows, he does, he acts, he plans, he inspires, he charms, he laughts, he smiles, he separates the the gold from the stones, he make hard decisions, he tells unconfortable truths for a more confortable future, he preffers short term suffering over a lifetime of mediocrity, he points the way to others, he does not follow the herd, he leads the herd.

Edited October 2 by Alexop

[Karmadhi]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I blame video games and internet. Men are simply not learning how to socialize.

It is not that simple.

Most guys are social yet still they struggle more.

The biggest issue is social media which gives people the illusion of getting the best they can get.

In the past, people hanged out around their circle and met people there.

Today a girl can go on Tinder or Instagram and get tons of attention, which inflates the market like crazy.

Also the sexual liberation makes girl more prone to go for the top guys while ignoring the rest.

It is not that dating has gotten harder for everyone, it has gotten harder for the average guy.

The top guys have it better than ever.

Just like wealth inequality has greatly increased, so has dating inequality.

 

Edited October 2 by Karmadhi

[fabger]

32 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Today a girl can go on Tinder or Instagram and get tons of attention, which inflates the market like crazy.

This is why you need to stick to socializing irl as Leo always says. IT WORKS! OLD is pointless and demoralizing for most guys.

Edited October 2 by fabger

[Nemra]

@Alexop, thanks for your responses. I do like your thinking.

You can check out Claude AI's explaination of the "Western Masculinity Crisis" from the SD Tier 2 construct-aware perspective.

Edited October 2 by Nemra

[Alexop]

9 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Alexop, thanks for your responses. I do like your thinking.

You can check out Claude AI's explaination of the "Western Masculinity Crisis" from the SD Tier 2 construct-aware perspective.

Interesting!

Here you have my mega-article about this, put Microsoft Edge to read it with natural voice and you'll be done in like 40 min. Did not manage to record it in audio form yet.

The Article

 

 

Edited October 3 by Alexop

[Nemra]

@Alexop, thanks for sharing your article! 😊

[Alexop]

15 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Alexop, thanks for sharing your article! 😊

my pleasure.

[Buck Edwards]

1 hour ago, Alexop said:

Interesting!

Here you have my mega-article about this, put Microsoft Edge to read it with natural voice and you'll be done in like 40 min. Did not manage to record it in audio form yet.

https://ensomato.com/masculinity-and-femininity-a-complex-explanation/

 

The link to your article doesn't open. 

[Nemra]

@Alexop, man, I loved your article.

When I think of rereading or redoing something again, it means that it touched my heart.

I love your type of masculine person! 😊

I'll read the other articles as well.

One of the ironic moments in my life was that I changed my perspective on masculinity as a generally negative thing once I realized that I was actually attracted to it. 😄

Edited October 2 by Nemra

[CARDOZZO]

6 hours ago, Nemra said:

I think that is good for both men and women.

Sure  

[EdgeGod900]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Just because you are more safe online does nothing to help your social life or develop social skills or attract women or develop masculinity.

I mean... i think it kind of does. If you are living in a small community, where cold approach is almost impractical, using online chatrooms like Chatroulette or Omegle will grow you more socially, since your mistakes when conversing arent punished as harshly.

This is also assuming that the small amount of social circles at this town don't resonate with you.

Thinking about it, you really need to know how to carefully use the internet to use it for improving your social skills, because I don't think most internet users use sites like ChatRoulette or Omegle

Edited October 3 by EdgeGod900

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, EdgeGod900 said:

sites like ChatRoulette or Omegle

This is depraved pervertry, not socialization.

It is exactly the problem I was pointing to. Men love to blame feminism, but the real problem is all this anti-social tech.

Edited October 3 by Leo Gura

[EdgeGod900]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is depraved pervertry, not socialization.

Oh cmon Leo. Sure 60% of people there are just horny, but the remaining 40% just want to meet and make small talk. And this 40% is who im referring to when improving social skills -- for those exceptions who live in small towns

 

 

 

Edited October 3 by EdgeGod900
Clarifying my explanation

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

This is depraved pervertry, not socialization.

It is exactly the problem I was pointing to. Men love to blame feminism, but the real problem is all this anti-social tech.

100%

Not enough real-world social experience causes men to fill in the blanks of their understanding of women and humans in general in ways that exacerbate their feelings of loneliness and isolation. The same can be true for women as well.

But it seems that a lot of men have a stronger tendency towards fear of rejection, intellectualization, hyper-individuality, social isolation, and technological interests.

And because of this, there's a tendency for young guys to get swallowed up in a protection chamber of intellectual certainty and predictability as opposed to entering the unknown of real-world social interactions.

[EdgeGod900]

@Emerald Im not denying that most internet isnt causing issues with mens ability to socialize.

My back and forth with Leo was more so to point out that there are exceptions, where some people CAN somewhat replace their physical social life, with the proper/curated use of the internet. ie. Those who live in smaller population are better off using chatrooms, because smaller communities are so reputation/gossip based that when you fuck up an interaction with a person in it, its hard to interact with the rest of them(which is likely going to happen for noobs).

 

Edited October 3 by EdgeGod900

[Emerald]

8 minutes ago, EdgeGod900 said:

@Emerald Im not denying that most internet isnt causing issues with mens ability to socialize.

My back and forth with Leo was more so to point out that there are exceptions, where some people CAN somewhat replace their physical social life, with the proper/curated use of the internet. ie. Those who live in smaller population are better off using chatrooms, because smaller communities are so reputation/gossip based that when you fuck up an interaction with a person in it, its hard to interact with the rest of them(which is likely going to happen for noobs).

I looked up what the platforms are. I had assumed at first that they were AI interactions that mimic human interactions or a place where you pay someone to talk to you.

But yes. That seems to be better than not socializing at all.

That said, nothing substitutes for in-person interactions. And if those sites give the illusion of a socialization fix, that can discourage you from getting out of the comfort zone.