How Ethnic Cleansing Created Israel

[Something Funny]

I've started watching the documentary from Leo's blog and it is so disgusting. I just don't understand the amount of mental gymnastics that is necessary to support and justify what they did to Palestine. It's not just the taking of the land itself that astounds me, it is the brutality and cold-bloodedness of it. Referring to another thread on the same topic, I think that ethnic cleansing is a totally correct term to use.

And after all these horrors, people have surprised Pikachu face when terrorist organizations start to pop up, lol.

Also, it really puts into perspective how I view the west vs China, Russia, Soviet Union, etc. I am obviously 100% against what China and Russia are doing now, because one evil deed doesn't make another okay but, in my opinion, it really shows how good people are at demonizing things that are convenient to demonize and justifying things that are convenient to justify.

When you really look at it, what the Soviet Union did is not so different from what the west did in Palestine in terms of cruelty. The only difference is scale.

[Leo Gura]

[Davino]

Nazis would be proud

[Thought Art]

Canada and the US are guilty of this too when it came to the natives. 

Edited October 1 by Thought Art

[Something Funny]

@Thought Art I sometimes imagine how cool it would be if we had a native american civilization existing right now. They could probably preserve and pass on so much of their culture.

[sholomar]

The history of our species is filled with conquest and slavery. It's almost like it might be wired into our genetic makeup and maybe tribes have been warring with each other for territory for tens of thousands of years or more. Before the Europeans came along, Indian tribes in NA would fight one another.  It was easier back before the era of mass information to propgandize and brainwash citizenry to try to justify wars and the best way to do that is to demonize entire nations/tribes/cultures or simply tell young solders that they fight or they die. There was tremendous peer pressure to not go outside the herd thinking because of our biological wiring. A person is only capable of knowing and acting for the most part in the way their culture raises and tells them to act until enough people in unison decide to rebel.

Back when there were competing species of hominids around at the same time and homo sapiens won out, why do you think the others went extinct? I'm just pointing out that evolution is savage, and none of this stuff should really surprise anyone who's studied biology, natural selection, or the history of our species.

Rather than obsessing on what we did in the past, we should focus on trying to do better in the future. Although maybe people need to look more at the past, because we always focus on small aspects of our nature to politicize a certain agenda, like "white man bad" because he enslaved blacks. More of the divide and conquer stuff. Human nature is true among our entire species, not specific ethic groups.  Look back far enough in time and Romans were enslaving Vikings, etc.

Yes, it's true Israel was created through the migration of jews at Britain's blessing in the early 1900's via a document known as the balfour declaration. Britain controlled a lot of territory outside it's home turf during their peak, and often didn't treat the natives that well.  Australia has a rather unfortunate history with their natives that some probably already know. There are conspiracies that Hitler was actually making secret deals with zionist jews who wanted to get jews to migrate to Israel. This was known as the Haavara Agreement.  There's quite a bit of fine details around that time period that don't often get brought up in historical context. History is written by the victors.

"Ethnic cleansing" is par for the course for our species, that is to say, all the men on the losing side of the war, as the invaders take the women for themselves and the children get indoctrinated and assimilated into the new invading regime's cultural norms or eliminated.

Edited October 3 by sholomar