Ethnic Cleansing?

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Why wouldn't they be? As long as they are not stopped.

Well, one would hope for some human decency, but I guess that's asking too much.

Jews of all people should appreciate the importance of that.

Edited October 1 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But it's another thing to keep pushing and pushing even in 2024.

Fair. The settlements ever expansion is a problem.

The other things with Lebanon for example might be necessary though and they are more complicated in this regard.

Edited October 1 by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

Anti Japan indoctrination in China.

 

[Schizophonia]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, one would hope for some human decency, but I guess that's asking too much.

Jews of all people should appreciate the importance of that.

These are just a bunch a social reflex that you get from education and collective unconscious. 

You demand this from others and vice versa because you pay taxes that are supposed to guarantee a society where your physical and psychological integrity is guaranteed. Not fundamentally because it is "good", but out of interest.

But, ofc palestinians are excluded from Israelis social contract, so from there the rules are no longer the same. 

Edited October 1 by Schizophonia

[zazen]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Fair. the settlements ever expansion is a problem.

The other things with Lebanon for example might be necessary though and it is more complicated.

Ending occupation and granting Palestinians sovereignty can be viewed as much more necessary than another war that could go regional. Not saying simply giving them sovereignty is easy (logistically) but its simply the cause of a lot of the problem.

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Anti Japan indoctrination in China.

 

Lol.

Some tik tok videos of childrens who walk into a japan flag,and a reproduction of the liberation of china.

Is this a national campaign against Japan ?

Edited October 1 by Schizophonia

[Nivsch]

10 minutes ago, zazen said:

Ending occupation and granting Palestinians sovereignty can be viewed as much more necessary than another war that could go regional. Not saying simply giving them sovereignty is easy (logistically) but its simply the cause of a lot of the problem.

The goal in Lebanon as I see it is to bring back the North's residents to their homes safely and to utilize the gold opportunity to now neurtralize Iran's 'chocking belt' it has build for years around Israel.

Edited October 1 by Nivsch

[Jannes]

10 hours ago, Minini said:

the 'greater good' here is a subjective assessment. The greater good for who exactly? Is it really the greater good from an objective standpoint to make a shelter for one population by turning another population into scattered refugees?

As I said, I cant judge the Israel conflict as I haven't followed the news enough. 

But generally speaking it's not objektive that the evil thing done is objectively evil as well. What skews the judgement of a situation is bias so that is something to be mindful of when making ethical decisions. 

[Revolutionary Think]

6 hours ago, zazen said:

You've acknowledged injustice taking place in that statement.

I said Israel isn't perfect. Are you also willing to acknowledge injustice on your side as well. Or is this just a one track mind thing for you?

[Revolutionary Think]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, one would hope for some human decency, but I guess that's asking too much.

Jews of all people should appreciate the importance of that.

On that note I'm not saying that I support the settlers and some of them are religious finatics. They are although a far cry from Hamas and Hezbollah that actively want the full eradication of Jews and are willing to indiscriminately target and murder civilians. If the Palestininians actively condemn the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah and want a peace with the Jewish state that they can be at peace trade with them and be civilized with them etc. I'd be more open to criticizing Israel. When I see them though doing the exact opposite and their entire culture is based on hatred and not contributing anything positive to humanity. You're damn right that I'll be supporting and backing Israel 100% of the time because the Palestinians never showed one iota of acting in good faith. Once I see good faith on the Palestinian side which doesn't even exist I'll be more open to talking about criticizing Israel but, if I don't see that I'm with Israel 100% of the way!! 

[Revolutionary Think]

On 9/30/2024 at 9:22 PM, Revolutionary Think said:

I'm sorry but, what you said doesn't make sense. Let's say there was a group in Mexico that demanded the land back that it got from the Mexican American War ok so we give them California and they use California to launch rockets and missiles at the rest of the United States. Not only that but, they get help from some Muslim country in fighting us. Then the Native Americans on their reservation start getting the idea of wanting to kill the white man and start entire education systems to educate their children to die for this cause. If you want to talk about terrible behavior Russia is also not interested in decolonizing or in this case de-sovietizing. 

Also if you haven't noticed Iran's government doesn't exactly represent their people they way they torture and kill all those who speak out against them. I'm wondering if on your blog right after 9/11 twin tower attacks that you'd actually put on documentaries on how bad and evil America is and that Bin Laden was justified because we're not interested in giving land back to the Native Americans that we stole from. Then you would say America deserves it because we're not interested in decolonizing and all the US bases we have overseas are a colonization project at that time you'd put stuff highly critical of the US right after 9/11. I'm not saying Israel is perfect far from it. 

Yet, when we live in a world where we see so many people in Iran rising up against their own government and their government using the blood sweat and tears of the Iranian people to fund a cause that they shouldn't even be a part of in the first place... We critize a teeny tiny state the size of New Jersey for oppressing people and having too much land. I'm sorry I'm not buying it. When there is so much corruption, and devilry all around the world they first target that people love to hate is the only Jewish state. To me at least be fair. I think this obsession is because Israel tends to end up in the news a lot and then people laser focus on one of the tiniest countries as the source of so many problems. Far be it from me to say that they are perfect. Although I think there are so many other countries acting far more nasty and cruel to their own populations with a history of far more brutality and barbarity and yet people LOVE to pick on Israel. 

It's kind of sad that ever since I posted this @Leo Gura has not responded and has just continued to put tons and tons of anti-Israel bile on his blog and on his forum. I think the points I made here still stand and are important to pick apart. Ever since the worst terrorist attack and the worst attack on the Jews since the Holocaust it's just been anti-Israel hatred over and over again. I don't think that's fair and I'd expected better from someone who fancies themselves as "enlightened".