What is the use of Forums in a post-AI era?

[Davino]

I've been reflecting about the value per time invested I get from the Forum. The more I've been developing myself over the years the less juicy content I've found.

Honestly speaking, most of the questions asked here are better contemplated using AI. Pick any topic and discuss with it. It's been kind of disillusioning to find out this truth. I hardly have insightful conversations with other humans anymore. I prefer my own contemplations, talking with AI or discussing with Leo sparely.

This has made me reflect on the role this Forum and all forums will take in future times: where AI is ever more intelligent, mature and open-minded.

[Keryo Koffa]

Well, to play ego games and screw around with other humans of course, why else would we be here?

It's all about sharing our aesthetics & feelings by interacting with other minds, to make a soup of each other's personalities.

It's a hodge podge family dinner, where we can impress each other by brainstorming cool concepts & sharing our journeys.

That's all, if you just wanted to grow, you'd initiate the Singularity already or go to Neuralink and merge your mind with ChatGPT.

[fabger]

Chatgpt can't give you real life perspectives. Chatgpt doesn't meditate and stuff. And GPT is boring. Unlike @Keryo Koffa lol

[Basman]

Formulating your opinions such that others can understand what you think forces you to verbalize your thoughts which is itself a learning experience as you develop your ideas and contemplations further. Having to relate to others is an opportunity for growth.

People can also come with insightful input and tangents and expose you to new ideas and concepts that you didn't know existed which you don't get with AI because AI only gives you exactly what you put in. You can learn different things without having to directly seek it out on forums unlike with AI.

AI can't give you real life experiences. Those who have had those experiences can answer your questions directly.

There is also just the joy of sharing.

AI is good for making general statements in my experience but you have to take everything with a pinch of salt as it doesn't "know" anything. Its literally a thousand monkeys with typewriters. If you really want to become well-read on certain topics you have to read up on high-quality sources.

Edited September 30 by Basman

[Keryo Koffa]

15 minutes ago, fabger said:

1. Chatgpt can't give you real life perspectives.
2. Chatgpt doesn't meditate and stuff. 
3. And GPT is boring. Unlike @Keryo Koffa lol

1. Chat is a universal mirror made of real-life perspectives
2. Code Strawberry just released, your argument is invalid
3. You won't charm me with such "comparative praise" 😁

@Basman You make some excellent points.

• Humans are the dynamic origin of empathic/diversified/cooperative real-life experiences.
• But our neural brains are also typewriters, Chat is at an earlier stage but evolves exponentially.

Edited September 30 by Keryo Koffa

[Basman]

10 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

But our neural brains are also typewriters, Chat is at an earlier stage but evolves exponentially.

This sounds like stoner techno infused bro-science. "The human brain is just ChatGPT, man" is just the updated version of "we must be be living in the matrix, dude".

[fabger]

24 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

• Chat is a universal mirror made of real-life perspectives
• Code Strawberry just released, your argument is invalid
• You won't charm me with such "comparative praise" 😁

AI is still not human. I quote Leo from a while back.

 

[Davino]

@Keryo Koffa So forums would be more for connecting with people, sharing our journey instead of deep understanding and Truth inquiries.

More serious than social media but of less intellectual quality than AI

[Davino]

38 minutes ago, Basman said:

People can also come with insightful input and tangents and expose you to new ideas and concepts that you didn't know existed which you don't get with AI because AI only gives you exactly what you put in. You can learn different things without having to directly seek it out on forums unlike with AI.

That's a good point I also value from the forum. Sometimes you find gems

[Keryo Koffa]

10 minutes ago, Basman said:

This sounds like stoner techno infused bro-science. "The human brain is just ChatGPT, man" is just the updated version of "we must be be living in the matrix, dude".

Well, that's just your projection, rooted in the belief in your own superiority as an organism.
Of course, you conveniently don't remember what life as a cell or atom used to be like.
Nor do you even remember what your field of qualia was like after you had just been born.

7 minutes ago, fabger said:

AI is still not human. I quote Leo from a while back.

Two years later: ChatGPT: "You don't have a wife, you solipsist nutsack, now stop slacking off and finish your course!" 😁

7 minutes ago, Davino said:

More serious than social media but of less intellectual quality than AI

Past all the relationship victim yapping, gender demonizing, non-duality sheeping,
and pop personality hate-bandwagoning, I wouldn't be so sure about that claim.

[Basman]

1 minute ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Well, that's just your projection, rooted in the belief in your own superiority as an organism.
Of course, you conveniently don't remember what life as a cell or atom used to be like.
Nor do you even remember what your field of qualia was like after you had just been born.

The human mind and generative AI are not the same. That much is obvious. Generative AI is limited when it comes to creating new ideas for instance nor does it know or understand anything. Now you can discuss to what degree humans are truly creative VS just iterating on past input but I'd argue most people aren't being as uniquely creative as they could be due to a lack of drive rather than ability.

Also, I think you and people here in general should stop with "projection" thing. Its just annoying and passive-aggressive and 9 times out of 10 its you who is projecting a projection unto others, putting words in peoples mouths and making assumptions. I don't think humans are superior to AI because I don't see AI as a person so there is no comparison to be made.

[OBEler]

Chatgpt4 doesn't give you inspiration, what's new out there, it doesn't show you what could be valuable to research further in some kind of topic. Also it doesn't provide personal experience with psychedelics and other methods.

Therefore AI will not destroy forums like this one.

[RendHeaven]

AI is still too PC for my taste. I mean I guess the forum is no better though haha.

Y'all would lynch me if I really spoke my mind

Hence, IRL inner-circle is the way to go

[Hojo]

Ai can't tell the truth its completely hearsay. This is ego I think.

Edited September 30 by Hojo

[Buck Edwards]

Much of my self development work occurred through my interactions with people on the forum which has its pros and cons, pros overweighing the cons,something that's simply not going to be replicated by AI. 

[Nemra]

The only thing that I can say confidently about AI is that it's a form of intelligence that we can't or often don't use.

What's game-changing is that it's with you all day.

[Ramanujan]

There are people here who are into self improvement for 5 years , 10 years , 15 years etc

AI cannot match the advice they are gonna give you

[BlueOak]

3 hours ago, Davino said:

I've been reflecting about the value per time invested I get from the Forum. The more I've been developing myself over the years the less juicy content I've found.

Honestly speaking, most of the questions asked here are better contemplated using AI. Pick any topic and discuss with it. It's been kind of disillusioning to find out this truth. I hardly have insightful conversations with other humans anymore. I prefer my own contemplations, talking with AI or discussing with Leo sparely.

This has made me reflect on the role this Forum and all forums will take in future times: where AI is ever more intelligent, mature and open-minded.

What reflection is more useful to you?

Man or Machine?

I just spent two hours calculating path commands with it for freecad.
It would be less useful in finding equilibrium on social issues.

It can be useful in better-defining positions, but not establishing them communally, or gauging the genuine reactions present from a community.

Its a fantastic stage yellow creation and it makes me excited for what great minds will create when they next level up.

 

[Princess Arabia]

Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Variety is the spice of life. If all your intellectual needs were met on forums, you'd disconnect from real life connections and if all your social needs were met in real life, you would miss out on interactions with bots, like @Keryo KoffaHehe

[Davino]

@BlueOak Conversations on psychology, sociology, history, sexuality, philosophy... All of these topics are so much easily discussed with AI than with humans. It's so much more intelligent, knowledgeable and flexible, you can go so deep with it. In contrast, forum conversations in these topics are usually defending my point of view and rationalising over it. The attitude coming in here should be a desire for truth and being able to leave behind everything that you know in case new evidence is found. Even if this were the case and the attitude is right, most people have serious flaws in their sense making and understanding of the world. I know it because I've invested so much time in discriminating them in my mind and there's still a tone more work to do. In a way it's refreshing talking with AI because you get in contact with a higher mind whose understanding of the world is sharp, nuanced and multiperspectival.

Edited September 30 by Davino