Why Turquoise is baloney

[Nivsch]

On 30.9.2024 at 10:03 PM, Carl-Richard said:

What problems does Turquoise solve that Yellow is unable to solve?

It sees the problem as beautiful and interesting to mainly observe and examine with an appreciation. This is his way to encounter it and to make the change in the observed.

Edited October 3 by Nivsch

[BlueOak]

2 hours ago, zurew said:

I don't think you are showing a difference there.  A rational , logical and clear answer doesn't presuppose that others cant contribute to it or adapt to it further. 

Also you seem to be making rational and clear answers exclusive to stage yellow and that seems to be a mistake.

Again it's not so much a difference but a refinement. The differences get more subtle. A very yellow mind can be more rigid in its reasoning, not all the way orange but it's still there. Turquoise would still contain yellow's balance of logic but inevitably balance emotion and social collaboration more closely with it.

I am often Yellowish so this is a partially yellow view trying to reach inward a bit more.

Stage yellow doesn't require a direct collective concurrence or collaboration, it is much more individual in nature. While it draws on everything available to it, including every relevant expert or experience, it can be made and focused solely on your own conclusion.

Stage turquoise's main difference for me is it requires working with other's directly, if I could put it down in a nutshell.

What I am observing in this conversation is us (when I say you I also mean me) attempting to cross from yellow to turquoise with an understanding of it, by reflecting off each other, and I use opportunities to also contribute to the collective discourse when I can. Guided by emotion and logic equally and best done in the presence of others. This is not a perfect definition or summary, but finding the collaboration easier and more free-flowing is a good sign when I am in that space.
 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

SD is about cognitive development, the notion of a stage yellow / turquoise answer or question seems to be a category error. I don't think it makes sense to categorize answers and questions in terms of spiral dynamics or to make certain questions or answers exclusive to a given stage

Then this is where the flaw in the thread lays. People trying to categorize something that evolves from or is already present in the other.
 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

I think the question of preferred communication norms (like expecting  clear breakdown of a given concept from the other party or a preference for a more poetic and open-ended breakdown of things) isn't directly relevant to answer the question of what is turquoise or what is the theory of turquoise.

It's indicative from what I've seen. I know when I am at my most systemic reasoning, that frame of mind necessitates a certain colder logical approach. When I am in more harmony with the group I am with, emotions come into focus more, and that alters the experience I am having.

Edited October 3 by BlueOak

[Thought Art]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can have mysticism at any stage except Orange. 

And Beige? I guess no is is at beige though but an orangutan. 🦧 

Edited October 3 by Thought Art

[Keryo Koffa]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

And Beige? I guess no is is at beige though but an orangutan. 🦧 

Emerging into embodied, breathing, living existence, which you don't even have the cognitive ability to see yourself distinct from, as you first establish and generate knowledge and dynamically evolving connection with the world at large sounds pretty mystical by itself if you ask me. What about Red mysticism?

[BlueOak]

@Keryo Koffa
Warrior gods and mythical heroes.

Ares, Achilles, Hercules.

The worship and idealization of forms of conflict or the warriors that fight it.

Edited October 5 by BlueOak

[Fountainbleu]

Turquoise represents a holistic, global consciousness that views the world as an interconnected, living system. It integrates the cognitive complexity of Yellow with a deep spiritual awareness of the interconnectedness of all life. Individuals at Turquoise perceive reality as a unified whole, where mind, body, spirit, and the environment are intertwined, moving beyond just personal mystical experiences into a collective, planetary consciousness.

Practical examples of Turquoise thinking and behavior:

Global Movements: Leaders and participants in global movements like climate action, where they approach solutions holistically, considering not just environmental impacts but the interconnected effects on economies, societies, and cultures. They prioritize the planet’s well-being over individual or national interests.

Holistic Health Approaches: A person who advocates for healthcare systems that integrate physical, mental, and spiritual health, emphasizing how these elements interact rather than treating symptoms in isolation.

Sustainable Business Models: Entrepreneurs who create businesses that are not just profit-driven but designed to balance environmental sustainability, employee well-being, and community impact, recognizing how all these systems support each other.

Collective Decision-Making: In organizations or communities, someone at Turquoise would encourage group decision-making processes that prioritize collective wisdom, inclusivity, and the long-term well-being of everyone involved rather than individual power or immediate gain.

Spiritual Environmentalism: People who view environmental preservation not just as a scientific or political issue but as a spiritual duty—understanding that the planet and all living beings are part of a larger, sacred whole.

Integration of Technology: Someone at Turquoise may use technology not for domination or manipulation, but as a tool for amplifying human potential and planetary well-being. Think of innovators using AI, renewable energy, or blockchain systems to create decentralized, sustainable solutions for global challenges—always balancing innovation with ethical and spiritual awareness.

First-Person Perspective of Someone Living in Turquoise:

“I experience the world as a living organism, with each part intricately connected. When I wake up in the morning, I feel the pulse of the planet, as if I’m a part of it—every breath I take feels like I’m breathing with the earth. My decisions don’t stem from ego or personal desires; they flow naturally from a deep sense of responsibility to the whole.

I see technology as a way to uplift humanity and the planet. Whether it's developing sustainable energy systems or using digital platforms to connect and educate people globally, I use these tools with an awareness of their impact on the collective and future generations. I don’t separate spirituality from science or innovation; they are simply different expressions of the same unified reality.

I no longer view challenges as problems to solve in a linear way, but rather as patterns to observe and harmonize with. When I encounter a conflict, I don’t rush to control or fix it. Instead, I listen deeply—to the people, the environment, and the unseen forces at play. Solutions emerge naturally when I’m in sync with the whole system.

Emotionally, I feel a profound peace and contentment, even when I’m facing uncertainty or the unknown. There is a deep trust that everything has its place in the grand web of life, and I don’t need to know every answer to feel secure. I feel a continuous sense of awe and wonder—whether it’s in nature, human relationships, or the mysteries of existence itself. Life is sacred, interconnected, and endlessly rich.”

 

[Fountainbleu]

if Daniel Schmachtenberger isn't that then I don't know who is.

[Buck Edwards]

Lovely explanation. 

 

[Thought Art]

On 10/3/2024 at 6:48 PM, Keryo Koffa said:

Emerging into embodied, breathing, living existence, which you don't even have the cognitive ability to see yourself distinct from, as you first establish and generate knowledge and dynamically evolving connection with the world at large sounds pretty mystical by itself if you ask me. What about Red mysticism?

Mystic monkeys 

[Keryo Koffa]

41 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Mystic monkeys 

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Edited October 6 by Keryo Koffa