Why Turquoise is baloney

[El Rio]

The Spiral Dynamics video for Turquoise was taken down for copy-write reasons.  Leo said in the Red video that it can still be listened to (with no video) or maybe seen on vinmeo. Can someone here point me where to go to find this?

 

Thanks!

Edited September 30 by El Rio

[Nivsch]

7 hours ago, BlueOak said:

The integration of the community with the self. That's better.

Dealing with the shadows, emotional and psychological difficulties will force you to undergo the neurological and cognitive changes that will elevate you through the stages.

The values and communal expressions of a given stage are just byproducts of this.

Edited September 30 by Nivsch

[Carbon]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Study Turquiose individuals.

Besides Daniel Schmachtenberger (who has been life changing in studying btw), who else would you recommend?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Carbon said:

Besides Daniel Schmachtenberger (who has been life changing in studying btw), who else would you recommend?

Ken Wilber

And look for others. To really understand Turquoise requires doing the work of finding Turquoise examples. Each new solid example of you find will get you closer and closer to understanding Turquoise. But the trick is not to confuse New Age Green people or nondual or mystical people with Turquoise people. Sorting out those differences is all part of the work to reach Turquoise. It's hard because so few people are there that you don't even know what "there" means.

Edited September 30 by Leo Gura

[Ulax]

@El Rio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0qh5erbSmk&t=562s&pp=ygUYYWN0dWFsaXplZC5vcmcgdHVycXVvaXNl

 

[Ulax]

4 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Yellow is rational, scientific, and focused on personal responsibility.

That sounds like classic orange, not yellow.

Though I guess would depend on what you mean by personal responsibility.

Edited October 1 by Ulax

[Leo Gura]

Yellow is more individualistic, Turquoise is more Global Tribe. That Global Tribe aspect is fundamental.

Edited September 30 by Leo Gura

[OmniNaut]

This shows a nice overview of different developmental models and how they scale to each other.

[Thought Art]

@Ulax Yellow similar to orange in those ways because it’s a spiral. Each stage up from the previous is on the other side.

Orange and yellow are indivualistic and overall rational stages. 
 

Green and Turquoise have a level of spirituality and are group oriented. 
 

You sort of need to take all of what I said not just pick out one part. Remember that the stages include and transcend the previous stages. You need orange to reach yellow.

Edited September 30 by Thought Art

[Ulax]

2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Ulax Yellow similar to orange in those ways because it’s a spiral. Each stage up from the previous is on the other side.

I can understand rationality and being scientific as being at yellow and orange. However, I don't understand how you are fitting personal responsibility at yellow. 

[Thought Art]

@Ulax Let me look into it

[Ulax]

6 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Ulax Let me look into it

You have my permission

[Thought Art]

@Ulax Thanks man. 

Edited October 1 by Thought Art

[Ulax]

@Thought Art You're welcome bro. Been really working on my conscious leadership skills lately, so means a lot to get appreciated.

[Buck Edwards]

3 hours ago, OmniNaut said:

This shows a nice overview of different developmental models and how they scale to each other.

I wish someone could give a clear breakdown of these in words as in description.

[mmKay]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yellow is more individualistic, Turquoise is more Global Tribe. That Global Tribe aspect is fundamental.

Ok but wth does that actually mean? Concern for humanity as a whole but in a pragmatic LP way rather than a hippy "peace and love" way?

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@Carl-Richard Well, the problems of consciousness, and a more highly integrated and holistic approach to the same systemic issues.

Do you have any specific examples of that?

 

9 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Because it goes beyond science and rationality it goes realizes the importance of consciousness.

In what way? Sounds like mysticism or intuition, which again, is present at all stages.

 

9 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Yellow may focus on solving global issues with policy change, technologies, economic changes etc

Turquoise would include those changes while also focusing on shifting and elevating human Consciousness, shifting the mindset of humanity to see the world as a living whole. Seeing it as one. 

How do you elevate human consciousness?

Edited October 1 by Carl-Richard

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, Ulax said:

I can understand rationality and being scientific as being at yellow and orange. However, I don't understand how you are fitting personal responsibility at yellow. 

Yellow is an integration of rational and plenty of post-rational too. Scientific and non-scientific together.

Edited October 1 by Nivsch

[Keryo Koffa]

7 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Yellow similar to orange in those ways because it’s a spiral. Each stage up from the previous is on the other side.

Orange and yellow are indivualistic and overall rational stages. 

Green and Turquoise have a level of spirituality and are group oriented. 

You sort of need to take all of what I said not just pick out one part.
Remember that the stages include and transcend the previous stages.
You need orange to reach yellow.

So you're saying stages transcend and include, but also Yellow forgets Green spirituality exists?
That doesn't make sense to me, especially since Tier 2 should be perfectly aware of all previous dynamics.

On 9/30/2024 at 5:03 AM, Carl-Richard said:

Carl you should have said how Coral is baloney. Because nobody ever gets it. Expect Keryo Koffa lol. 

On 9/30/2024 at 5:03 AM, Carl-Richard said:

There is nothing to critique about Coral, because basically nothing has been said about it.

Your argument is invalid:

On 9/28/2024 at 9:53 PM, Leo Gura said:

I used to collect and grow corals. My brother had a coral store. I know the coral industry really well.

Edited October 1 by Keryo Koffa

[BlueOak]

5 hours ago, mmKay said:

Ok but wth does that actually mean? Concern for humanity as a whole but in a pragmatic LP way rather than a hippy "peace and love" way?

An example: Treating this entire conversation as the reply you make, not a singular reply you focus on.

That would be looking at the collective response and trying to contribute to it. I know all parts make the collective, just like all stages are inside each other, and all people too, but if we are looking at a collective inside an individual, that's a direct example.

 

10 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Dealing with the shadows, emotional and psychological difficulties will force you to undergo the neurological and cognitive changes that will elevate you through the stages.

The values and communal expressions of a given stage are just byproducts of this.

I agree, all stages make the next, as with all individuals and their collective pieces make the community. I was in the process of experimenting with wording as a byproduct.

If we always look at our'self' and how it fits into the community. That is always individual first, community second on that filter.
If we look at the community first and how we can fit the community into our'self' isn't that a more direct way?

I know community = self and any distinction is an illusion, but language can be useful to reinforce ideas and concepts into the collective.

Edited October 1 by BlueOak