Future

[Ishanga]

My Theory on Pre Cognition, how some can see this supposed Future, is that they really don't see the Future (Future does not exist yet, nothing is really predetermined, everything is being created right now), they see patterns, Karma is in play everywhere, it is the thing that allows all actions and reactions, cause and effect to happen, that is what is being seen, the patterns and cycles that exist on all levels of Creation. 

When one does high levels of Intense Sadhana, they get gifts, Siddhis they call them, one of them is the pre cognition ability, they can see the karmic print out of everything, everyone. Existence, most of it anyways is cyclical in nature, if You can recognize these cycles accurately, You can predict or see the future.. 

Just imagine having all the data available on a high level company, you know everything about that company, who works in it, their history and capabilities, the plans of the company, what it is creating and has created, if You know this, and the market it operates in, you can make a fortune, because You know its future..

Its the same with this, know the cycles know the future...

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

I wanted the exploration to be open, not limited by biases of this or that level. All level biases welcome! ;-)  

I am open to the possibility that the future can be experienced and not just in a faux way as projection. Reality is strange, perhaps unfathomable. 

Plus the future, by definition can never be experienced unless we give a different meaning to the word future. I know what you're getting at, anything can happen in this crazy thing called Reality but it's not just some random phenomena just happening, there's intelligence at play.

[rachMiel]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I would equate BEINGNESS with Absolute

Pure being is definitely down there near the core of the onion. (Do onions have cores?) It may be the closest humans get to experiencing the Absolute. But there also may be layers 'beneath' pure being, layers for which there are no words or images or ideas. 

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

My Theory on Pre Cognition, how some can see this supposed Future, is that they really don't see the Future (Future does not exist yet, nothing is really predetermined, everything is being created right now), they see patterns, Karma is in play everywhere, it is the thing that allows all actions and reactions, cause and effect to happen, that is what is being seen, the patterns and cycles that exist on all levels of Creation. 

When one does high levels of Intense Sadhana, they get gifts, Siddhis they call them, one of them is the pre cognition ability, they can see the karmic print out of everything, everyone. Existence, most of it anyways is cyclical in nature, if You can recognize these cycles accurately, You can predict or see the future.. 

Just imagine having all the data available on a high level company, you know everything about that company, who works in it, their history and capabilities, the plans of the company, what it is creating and has created, if You know this, and the market it operates in, you can make a fortune, because You know its future..

Its the same with this, know the cycles know the future...

I can see where this could be the case. Very interesting explanation. Do you think that the term "creation is finished" has anything to do with people being able to see into the future? What are your thoughts on this?

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

Pure being is definitely down there near the core of the onion. (Do onions have cores?) It may be the closest humans get to experiencing the Absolute. But there also may be layers 'beneath' pure being, layers for which there are no words or images or ideas. 

The Absolute is already Everything. There's no place out there that we have to get to to experience the Absolute. The Absolute is what's experiencing itself. There are no human's. It's all the Absolute. Pure Being is already what you are. 

Edited September 29 by Princess Arabia

[rachMiel]

@Princess Arabia You had me at 'play'! Maybe the future is not what its lay definition paints it as? Native American rituals are often in sacred time, where past, present, and future are felt to co-exist. Not just metaphorically, but really. Perhaps they've got it right, they see what we miss? Or perhaps it's fairy tales all the way up, all the way down. How would we know? 

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

Pure being is definitely down there near the core of the onion. (Do onions have cores?) It may be the closest humans get to experiencing the Absolute. But there also may be layers 'beneath' pure being, layers for which there are no words or images or ideas. 

Yes I think so too, but beneath these pure being layers, there may not be an Experience possible for one to know anything about it.  I think we are here as Humans so that Experience is possible on a high level, compared to an Amoeba which is Life as well, but not in our league when it comes to its ability to Experience. This is happening so Absolute can Experience itself, in all its varied ways, from Amoeba to Us and the Billions of Us that have existed...But what is happening beneath all of this is well something I haven't really contemplated other than reading about other realms and such things...

[rachMiel]

@Ishanga Are there any precognitionistes in the house, we need your expert insider information! 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, rachMiel said:

@Princess Arabia You had me at 'play'! Maybe the future is not what its lay definition paints it as? Native American rituals are often in sacred time, where past, present, and future are felt to co-exist. Not just metaphorically, but really. Perhaps they've got it right, they see what we miss? Or perhaps it's fairy tales all the way up, all the way down. How would we know? 

We can also say this is the past, present and future. Same difference. It's all NOW. There's really no present either because present implies past and future. It's like writing on a piece of paper, every word is in succession. That's what's apparently happening. It's alive and conscious and awake, but still nothing is really happening. It's a mirage. 

Watch a movie, the future in the movie already happened - just ffwd. Rewind and you see the past, stay with it and just hit play, that's the present; but the past and future already happened. Same kind of thing. The Infinite script of Reality is already written, so to speak.

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

@Ishanga Are there any precognitionistes in the house, we need your expert insider information! 

Not me on any high level lol, some gifts are more easy for some to have, others have a harder time to get it... But don't get trapped in the gift, like in star wars, beware of the dark side of the force:) 

I think our minds/brains make whatever is recognized into a story board like thing almost instantly so its more enabled to be Experienced...my guess anyways:)

[rachMiel]

@Ishanga I love the idea of sentient entities (which for me means: everything) being the sense organs of the Universe, the 'feelers' used to experience all the nooks and crannies of existence. The greatest perk of this view imo for us humans, especially the quasi-nihilists among us is this: Our experience matters, we matter, there is purpose to our thoughts and actions. 

[Ishanga]

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I can see where this could be the case. Very interesting explanation. Do you think that the term "creation is finished" has anything to do with people being able to see into the future? What are your thoughts on this?

I don't know on this one.. if creation/karma is finished then what is there to see?

[rachMiel]

@Princess Arabia Resonates, well said. :-)  

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

@Ishanga I love the idea of sentient entities (which for me means: everything) being the sense organs of the Universe, the 'feelers' used to experience all the nooks and crannies of existence. The greatest perk of this view imo for us humans, especially the quasi-nihilists among us is this: Our experience matters, we matter, there is purpose to our thoughts and actions. 

Yes, on the relative level Experience matters, meaning matters and such things.. On the Absolute level, nothing of the sort matters, so there are levels to this stuff, we are here to explore all these levels and have the ability to do so, other life does not so that is the main difference btwn Us and most every other life out there that we know of.. So the more we explore this range of levels, the more Absolute experiences itself, sort of a loop or once again a cycle happening..

Edited September 29 by Ishanga

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Ishanga said:

I don't know on this one.. if creation/karma is finished then what is there to see?

Finished, but not manifested. It's in potential within the imaginary field. You see your beliefs, thoughts, focus, attention, etc. 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Finished, but not manifested. It's in potential within the imaginary field. You see your beliefs, thoughts, focus, attention, etc. 

Oh yes for sure then, Potential is always there, higher level of Awareness and Consciousness bring about this Potential rising affect, and maybe that is what can be seen as well, or maybe not since it is not a part of any pattern, and in a way it is different from the previous patterns of Karma, because Potential means something there that wasn't there before right? 

Not sure if that makes any sense:)

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Oh yes for sure then, Potential is always there, higher level of Awareness and Consciousness bring about this Potential rising affect, and maybe that is what can be seen as well, or maybe not since it is not a part of any pattern, and in a way it is different from the previous patterns of Karma, because Potential means something there that wasn't there before right? 

Not sure if that makes any sense:)

If you ask me, I don't think anybody can really tell what this is, meaning the Absolute since we are all apart of the Absolute Oneness of it all. One has to be outside to see it clearly. It's unknowable. All this stuff we all talk about are just stories within the Absolute. Not like there's an inside; it's empty. This emptiness appears as everything.

Edited September 29 by Princess Arabia

[Keryo Koffa]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Reality is strange but it's still subjected to rules. You'll never see the sky, for instances, switch places with the ground and end up beneath us. Gravity will always be and a tree will never turn into a giraffe. Hehe. 

Someone's never had an alien awakening before, nor even a Schizophrenic awakening, I bet you didn't even have an Imagination awakening.

Such claims about ground, sky, gravity, and lifeforms are just another layer of relative constructs, happenstantial evolution based on relative rules of certain reality's self-enforced cohesion, which is ultimately a meta-causal holographic evolution.

In the grand scheme of things, the physical materialization of reality is just a deeper, less easily accessible layer of constructs upon constructs, which organize themselves out of Unbound Telesis.

Of course, your mind is creating and assembling all of them as well, as it materializes 100% of your experience. You might even say it's based on real data and it's true that the data is more cohesive on a deeper layer, but that itself is just another holarchy.

Practically speaking, it is improbable for reality itself to morph on a collective level to such degrees, as experience keeps itself consistent, shifting the very frequencies of experience into a universal strange loop.

But even (meta)physics is easily malleable in the right state of consciousness. It's not just identity word games, models, and projections that change. When you transcend all of that, you'll enter the very territory itself, from which all of those derive, and when you get bored of your human identity and non-duality/suffering/ego games, you might even learn how to affect all of those.

Of course you won't as long as you believe yourself human, and not just on a mind layer, but deeper on a will layer and even deeper on the metaphysical layer, which continuously materializes the sculpture, that is your living body.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

If you ask me, I don't think anybody can really tell what this is, meaning the Absolute since we are all apart of the Absolute Oneness of it all. One has to be outside to see it clearly. It's unknowable. All this stuff we all talk about are just stories within the Absolute. Not like there's an inside; it's empty. This emptiness appears as everything.

Yes agreed, very hard to use words to describe it and such, how can one when it comes to the Absolute. We can Experience it in some intense ways, but even those ppl that go to those places have a hard time telling what it is like, I've never really had a Mystical Experience, never seen ghosts, or have strange dmt dreams, nor have I ever done psychedelics but have smoked pot on occasion, its slows the perception of time down for me, 5min feels like an hour, and some of the experiences I have had when stoned, when watching a movie or something its a strange sensation of Experience, certain emotions, creativity arises and intensity in both with the slowness of time perception, its interesting for sure, but not near the whole story which can never really be told I would imagine with the larger scales of Potential that exists, 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Someone's never had an alien awakening before, nor even a Schizophrenic awakening, I bet you didn't even have an Imagination awakening.

Such claims about ground, sky, gravity, and lifeforms are just another layer of relative constructs, happenstantial evolution based on relative rules of certain reality's self-enforced cohesion, which is ultimately a meta-causal holographic evolution.

In the grand scheme of things, the physical materialization of reality is just a deeper, less easily accessible layer of constructs upon constructs, which organize themselves out of Unbound Telesis.

Of course, your mind is creating and assembling all of them as well, as it materializes 100% of your experience. You might even say it's based on real data and it's true that the data is more cohesive on a deeper layer, but that itself is just another holarchy.

Practically speaking, it is improbable for reality itself to morph on a collective level to such degrees, as experience keeps itself consistent, shifting the very frequencies of experience into a universal strange loop.

But even (meta)physics is easily malleable in the right state of consciousness. It's not just identity word games, models, and projections that change. When you transcend all of that, you'll enter the very territory itself, from which all of those derive, and when you get bored of your human identity and non-duality/suffering/ego games, you might even learn how to affect all of those.

Of course you won't as long as you believe yourself human, and not just on a mind layer, but deeper on a will layer and even deeper on the metaphysical layer, which continuously materializes the sculpture, that is your living body.

Funny how I'm always saying there's no one but you say to me if I believe myself to be human. How about there's nothing really happening and it's all a friggin' joke.