Future

[rachMiel]

Per your worldview, does the future exist? Yes-ers: In what way does it exist? No-ers: How explain precognition? 

[Atb210201]

Both yes and no

Yes because outside of time it already exists

And no because inside time it still doesn't exist and has to come

[rachMiel]

8 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

outside of time it already exists

Are you talking a block universe where all of time coexists? 

[Atb210201]

58 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

Are you talking a block universe where all of time coexists? 

I don't know what you mean by block universe but yeah outside of time all of time coexists already everything has already happened in the realm of the timeless.

There is no past, present or future there.

They all are one.

Edited September 28 by Atb210201

[rachMiel]

Have you personally experienced the timeless realm? The closest I've gotten is flow. And contemplation. And psychotropic drugs. 

[Atb210201]

21 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

Have you personally experienced the timeless realm? The closest I've gotten is flow. And contemplation. And psychotropic drugs. 

I have to some extent with 3 grams of mushrooms once.

At some point of it, it was like I was becoming so conscious of myself that I could see hundreds of different possible thoughts my mind could think of in a single moment and also what thread of thoughts would come out of any of those thoughts if I would choose to think about them; all of it just in that single no time moment.

So that was a moment that as time has passed and I've contemplated about it in the passed years I've understood it and came to this conclusion that I've written here.

That realm is as timeless as timeless can get for real.

No past no present no future no time.

Everything in a single eternal moment; the closer you are to it the more timeless and eternal it is.

Edited September 28 by Atb210201

[rachMiel]

3 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

At some point of it, it was like I was becoming so conscious of myself that I could see hundreds of different possible thoughts my mind could think of in a single moment and also what thread of thoughts would come out of any of those thoughts if I would choose to think about them; all of it just in that single no time moment

Sounds like you were shuttling between alternate universes! Cool. Have you read Seth Speaks? Seth talked about inhabiting multiple realities. 

[Princess Arabia]

No future only the NOW. When the future comes it will be NOW. The mind is what sees the past and future. The mind created the past and future. In the relative world, there still isn't a future. It's just a concept, an idea, projected from the mind. Everything is NOW. Let me know when you have seen the future. Never, not in Reality. Reality is always NOW.

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, rachMiel said:

Have you personally experienced the timeless realm? The closest I've gotten is flow. And contemplation. And psychotropic drugs. 

The timeless realm cannot be experienced, It's like the sleep state. Have you ever experienced sleep. There's no mind in sleep. Mind is what experiences. True nature just is. Being. Presence.

Edited September 29 by Princess Arabia

[Atb210201]

5 hours ago, rachMiel said:

Sounds like you were shuttling between alternate universes! Cool. Have you read Seth Speaks? Seth talked about inhabiting multiple realities. 

Yeah you could also say it like that.

It was pretty cool.

No I haven't read anything by Seth speaks does he have a YouTube channel or something?

Edited September 29 by Atb210201

[rachMiel]

@Atb210201 Seth is the entity channeled by Jane Roberts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjyEhWoIAu8

 

[rachMiel]

@Princess Arabia Assuming like you said there is no future, how would you explain precognition? 

[Princess Arabia]

29 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

@Princess Arabia Assuming like you said there is no future, how would you explain precognition? 

Projection. 

[rachMiel]

@Princess Arabia My feeling is projection plays a key role in precognition, but the future may exist in some way and be available to some people via mental time travel. I have no proof other than believable accounts that are hard to explain as pure projection.

I like the depiction of the precognition that Paul Atreides experiences in the Dune books: 

Paul’s precognition is not a simple ability to see a singular, predetermined future. Rather, he experiences multiple possible futures, a phenomenon described as seeing through a "web of time." His visions are fragmented and kaleidoscopic, showing him various potential outcomes of events. This grants him insight into what might happen based on the choices made by him and others. – GPT 

[Princess Arabia]

50 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

@Princess Arabia My feeling is projection plays a key role in precognition, but the future may exist in some way and be available to some people via mental time travel. I have no proof other than believable accounts that are hard to explain as pure projection.

I like the depiction of the precognition that Paul Atreides experiences in the Dune books: 

Paul’s precognition is not a simple ability to see a singular, predetermined future. Rather, he experiences multiple possible futures, a phenomenon described as seeing through a "web of time." His visions are fragmented and kaleidoscopic, showing him various potential outcomes of events. This grants him insight into what might happen based on the choices made by him and others. – GPT 

I'm not denying any of this, I'm speaking in the Absolute sense. There's no such thing as time,there is no real future. Time is a construction of the mind. You don't experience time when you sleep, do you.

The World isn't real, dear. That said it still appears to be and life goes on as usual. I'm not saying anything else than what I'm saying, so don't go adding stories to this like, well, if your hand gets chopped off, let's see how real that feels - like some people like to say. Not saying you are either.

[rachMiel]

@Princess Arabia It's the infamous level confusion! ;-) Person A is speaking of/from the relative level, person B from the (as-if) absolute level. I agree absolute-ly regarded 'time' is meaningless. But I don't know if this is theory or actuality, the absolute truth is not available to me (cognitively). 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, rachMiel said:

@Princess Arabia It's the infamous level confusion! ;-) Person A is speaking of/from the relative level, person B from the (as-if) absolute level. I agree absolute-ly regarded 'time' is meaningless. But I don't know if this is theory or actuality, the absolute truth is not available to me (cognitively). 

It's not that time is meaningless, it just doesn't exist. It's a construct.

Your heading didn't specify on what level you were referring to; but it's pretty obvious that relatively, the future does exist for the mind and we speak about the future all the time. Tomorrow this, and next week that; but regardless, when those times do come it's still the present. So, the future, on the relative scale, is a projection of the mind and doesn't really exist at all because no one has ever experienced the future. Even in a future time machine - that's still happening in the present.

Edited September 29 by Princess Arabia

[Ishanga]

If Time is a Construct (I agree in many ways it is) then in a way it does exist, it exists on the level of Experience...

This thing about Absolute and Relativity is interesting, I would equate BEINGNESS with Absolute, Your intouch with it on the Relative Level of Life as we know it here, most ppl are not intouch with it, but its the primary action and realization that one should have in life first and foremost. It allows all the Potential that exists within You to come forth.. For Me Potential and Absolute are basically the same thing..

After BEINGNESS, there is DOING and HAVING, either or can come behind BEING, the thing is we have to deal with all of it in this Relative Life here, if Your Just BEINGNESS, which is okay for some, then there is no family, no work, no social, no nothing when it comes to the other dimensions mentioned, if You can do that that is Great, if not then we have to deal with those other dimensions, if You deny them, it will bite You in Your Ass for sure...

[rachMiel]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Your heading didn't specify on what level you were referring to; 

I wanted the exploration to be open, not limited by biases of this or that level. All level biases welcome! ;-)  

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

no one has ever experienced the future

I am open to the possibility that the future can be experienced and not just in a faux way as projection. Reality is strange, perhaps unfathomable. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

I wanted the exploration to be open, not limited by biases of this or that level. All level biases welcome! ;-)  

I am open to the possibility that the future can be experienced and not just in a faux way as projection. Reality is strange, perhaps unfathomable. 

Reality is strange but it's still subjected to rules. You'll never see the sky, for instances, switch places with the ground and end up beneath us. Gravity will always be and a tree will never turn into a giraffe. Hehe.