The Biggest Challenge for God: Accepting his loneliness and finally Enjoying it

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Enlighment will be when you are conscious of you 24/7. If mind keeps appearing as the source of truth/identity, clearly we haven´t done the work complete yet.

You could be concious of your true nature 24/7, but what's impossible is being in a state of dissolution of the self 24/7,.you need the self to operate in this dimension . The point is get the dissolution more or less easily, but the big difference is have achieved that dissolution one time or no times, then when you have achieved many times you could more or less remember what's this but do it really is very difficult. I guess that some could do it in meditation at will, every day. The way to get this seems to be making lighter the structure of the ego. 

Another thing, thinking that there is more that that is a mistake, being absolute is being absolute, everything else is less. Knowing dimension, super powers, past lifes, everything is in the domain of the relative. The absolute is the absolute, and it's impossible to think or understand, though or understanding happens within the absolute.

[Javfly33]

57 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could be concious of your true nature 24/7, but what's impossible is being in a state of dissolution of the self 24/7,.you need the self to operate in this dimension .

Not according to sadhguru: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxJF4Xyli8f0oDyHUFbNtmO9qjUg1JtTEU?si=mRR_k6vwOqtOwMXw

 

Like ive said, pop an oxy and feel for 8 hours what is being self-free and at the same time you being able to manage your work, have sex, talk to your kids...

Just kidding, drugs are not the answer but is a good example of that one can be dissolved in Bliss and at the same time engage in the world like the most functional motherfucker.

A good example of this is Sadhguru. No one believes sadhguru is real because he is engaged all the time in material stuff...but he has said several times..."within there is no friction for me', "thats why i can have such a tremendous level of activity and not get burn by life in the slightest".

 

The main issue is that most people have never experienced functionality and at the same time blissfulness/no self.

Either they have demolished the structure with psychedelics or meditation but also the mind in the process...so they think, you have to choose between spiritual or material.

 

But there are states of consciousness where there is dissolution and at the same time mind is ON and active, this is the King of the King of the states of consciousness... Once you get a touch of this you are amazed at the possibility of the human mechanism. 

 

Just because we have not reached that level of mastery within ourselves as a baseline level does not mean is not possible.

 

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Another thing, thinking that there is more that that is a mistake, being absolute is being absolute, everything else is less. Knowing dimension, super powers, past lifes, everything is in the domain of the relative. The absolute is the absolute, and it's impossible to think or understand, though or understanding happens within the absolute.

As you said, there is difference between working 12 hours in tailand sewing clothes for 2$ an hour vs a comfortable job in europe...

So even though the absolute is the absolute, all people want the best life experience possible, a memory of the absolute is ultimately useless, because we are always in the NOW what matters is what is your state of consciousness/dissolution NOW. 

Edited October 3 by Javfly33

[Keryo Koffa]

@Javfly33 What can be done with pills, can be done with an exceedingly conscious mind.

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Javfly33 What can be done with pills, can be done with an exceedingly conscious mind.

yes, of course, i don´t want to preach people to drug himself, i don´t take pills anymore. But is true my experience has let me see what is possible within the human. In the same way people take psychedelics to discover what is possible with other maintanable things such as meditation!

 

[Keryo Koffa]

31 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

yes, of course, i don´t want to preach people to drug himself, i don´t take pills anymore. But is true my experience has let me see what is possible within the human. In the same way people take psychedelics to discover what is possible with other maintanable things such as meditation!

The question is "What prevents us from making it baseline and the new homeostasis?".

We don't need to meditate while on psychedelics, why do we need to meditate to achieve this state?

Edited October 3 by Keryo Koffa

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

But there are states of consciousness where there is dissolution and at the same time mind is ON and active,

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

 

That's impossible in the openess that I mean, it's not well being, be happy, I mean breaking totally your limits and expand to infinity. In the very moment that you see, think, perceive something concrete, you are again in the form. In fact I think that if you are long time in that state could be unhealthy, carcinogenic, it is not something natural. It is peeking into the absolute for a moment, to the power of the existence, but you are now a relative movement. It doesn't seem like it, or it's a mistake, or you're dreaming about a video game because you're bored, no, you're human.

Then it's something like breaking your structure. It's not like taking heroine or 5meo or oxitocin, it's being totality without form. You can't be in that state and preach as sadhguru does. .

 

[Keryo Koffa]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's impossible in the openess that I mean, it's not well being, be happy, I mean breaking totally your limits and expand to infinity. In the very moment that you see, think, perceive something concrete, you are again in the form. In fact I think that if you are long time in that state could be unhealthy, carcinogenic, it is not something natural. It is peeking into the absolute for a moment, to the power of the existence, but you are now a relative movement. It doesn't seem like it, or it's a mistake, or you're dreaming about a video game because you're bored, no, you're human.

Then it's something like breaking your structure. It's not like taking heroine or 5meo or oxitocin, it's being totality without form. You can't be in that state and preach as sadhguru does. .

How about you see duality and non-duality for its own duality that it is, and transcend while including both?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition

Edited October 3 by Keryo Koffa

[Javfly33]

45 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

The question is "What prevents us from making it baseline and the new homeostasis?".

We don't need to meditate while on psychedelics, why do we need to meditate to achieve this state?

I think is because we are not focused on It and second because we have not much info about It.

At the end of the day the Only school that i know that teaches about Blissfulness is Yoga schools...so first one has to have a intense Focus towards putting inner well being before anything else, but secondly have the faith and intuition that is possible, because clearly It does not come in a few days. 

 

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's impossible in the openess that I mean, it's not well being, be happy, I mean breaking totally your limits and expand to infinity. In the very moment that you see, think, perceive something concrete, you are again in the form. In fact I think that if you are long time in that state could be unhealthy, carcinogenic, it is not something natural. It is peeking into the absolute for a moment, to the power of the existence, but you are now a relative movement. It doesn't seem like it, or it's a mistake, or you're dreaming about a video game because you're bored, no, you're human.

Then it's something like breaking your structure. It's not like taking heroine or 5meo or oxitocin, it's being totality without form. You can't be in that state and preach as sadhguru does. .

 

Ok, if you mean that peak Formless state of course is not maintanable while doing survival.

But i mean, from the usual misery of the human to the top level well being (before getting into Formless terrirory) is something most people are not exploring.

So is not like there is 0,1,2,3 and 4 level, and then the level 100 of formlessness of the absolute.

There are also levels between those where the ego structure is very very little, maybe is not completely gone as you say, but Still is pretty good, like, "i want to Live Like this forever" kind of good.

[Vercingetorix]

Good stuff here!