Your thoughs on this paragraph?

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

What are you talking about? Do you use money or not? I wanted what? Like I'm god planning this and then hidden? That's false, it's a mistake, there is no God, I am not god, the reality is infinite, nobody is at control, that about god is a tale for kids that in any case coul dare to look directly the abyss of infinity. There are infinite possibilities, and you are the abyss, nothing has any sense or meaning, reality just is, it's absolutely obvious. Anything else is just an history, and I could die of hunger and nothing would be different, but as I'm here I choose give my best, just because I like, anything else is bored

You are seriously telling me that you are renouncing your true absolute nature in such a testimony as this. Unbelievable. I know you! And I also know you know who you are, yet you are preferring to mess around with what you are not, dabbling in trinkets rather than savouring treasure. You are exchanging fantasy for reality and choosing to abdicate your supreme kingdom for this make believe cotton candy apparition that your eyes are showing you. You would rather make an empire that rusts and crumbles and revolts rather that do what you were created to do, to extend and share and bliss out on the love of your eternal abode.

Damn, well so be it. You have free will so sure, have at it as long as you want. When you again remember as you have before the sheer lunacy of chasing dissatisfaction at every turn, I look forward to catching up with you back home on the throne.

Edited October 1 by gettoefl

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

 In terms of ending physical pain and all the challenges that come in life? That will not ever end as long as you have a body. Quite simply because of this and it isn’t too difficult to reason why or understand why. Your body is always changing and so is your life. 

That is because you haven´t explored enough the possibilities.

You can get to a point where you lose the feeling of having a body. That is not numbness like you drug yourself, but so much aliveness of Awareness that the identification is completely gone. 

 

The only goal of Spirituality is just this: Trascending the physical.

If you don´t trascend the body fully you will never be free of the compulsions and suffering of the body. 

Yes, mental suffering is 90% of humans suffering. But you miss that mental suffering mainly comes from having a body. 

 

You only want money, sex or safety because you have a body. 

So ultimately the bondage is the physical. 

Edited October 1 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

You are seriously telling me that you are renouncing your true absolute nature in such a testimony as this. Unbelievable. I know you! And I also know you know who you are, yet you are preferring to mess around with what you are not, dabbling in trinkets rather than savouring treasure. You are exchanging fantasy for reality and choosing to abdicate your supreme kingdom for this make believe cotton candy apparition that your eyes are showing you. You would rather make an empire that rusts and crumbles and revolts rather that do what you were created to do, to extend and share and bliss out on the love of your eternal abode.

Damn, well so be it. You have free will so sure, have at it as long as you want. When you again remember as you have before the sheer lunacy of chasing dissatisfaction at every turn, I look forward to catching up with you back home on the throne.

  why you have to choose one thing or another? You could have both, reality is everything, nothing is godly or antigodly, you just have to be integral in everything, then you could do anything. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Lyubov said:

So I would ask why do you have to create a painful emotion for yourself in this process?

An animal doesn't create psychological suffering, a crocodile in the river is not suffering because other crocodiles are better that him, and it's just by the reason that he couldn't get anything doing it. Our psychological suffering is a engine of evolution, all the human kind moves by that, without it we were stuck in the jungle (what sure would be much more pleasant) but life has other plans, wants always more, that's evolution 

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

  why you have to choose one thing or another? You could have both, reality is everything, nothing is godly or antigodly, you just have to be integral in everything, then you could do anything. 

You can't eat your cake and then have it for breakfast in the morning. You chose this wretched god-forsaken existence. But you did so naively, ignorantly and inadvertently. It was a vast rabbit hole you dropped into and couldn't climb your way out of. In doing that, you sacrificed the greatest gig there can ever be! So sad and so tragic and so soul-crushing.

That's only if that ridiculous tale were truth. This here is beyond doubt all illusion. This is an elaborate trick. You hoodwinked yourself, didn't you. You are presently hypnotised and you think you checked out from the absolute into an alternate so-called dualistic realm. IT NEVER HAPPENNED. You are in a drunk-like haze experiencing a dystopian nightmare in this universe.

The good news is, you do not need to be here a moment longer. Your perfect, beautiful, wondrous existence awaits as it always was and will always be. Not one note in your divine orchestra has missed a beat. You have been self-sabotaging by thinking an existence separate from other entities was a possibility. This is utterly foolhardy and fallacious! You are unwittingly denying yourself your birth right by letting yourself drown and suffocate in this strange merciless place.

Snap out of it already and hold aloft your godly mantle for all to see. You know exactly what to do.

Edited October 1 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, gettoefl said:

You can't eat your cake and then have it for breakfast in the morning. You chose this wretched god-forsaken existence. But you did so naively, ignorantly and inadvertently. It was a vast rabbit hole you dropped into and couldn't climb your way out of. In doing that, you sacrificed the greatest gig there can ever be! So sad and so tragic and so soul-crushing.

What are you talking about? Are you crazy? I started working with 20 in shitty works and very fast I decided to fight hard, because i don't want to be a slave. Where is the problem with that? Everything that I did was absolutely aligned with myself. Once I started a business with sail boats an to start I bought a very small boat, and without almost test and without sailing in many years, I put to it the name of my mother who died , to let her to take revemge if I have been wrong and I sailed alone during 9 days in the middle of Atlantic in winter to an island where I sold it for more than double very fast, I had a lot of trouble during the trip but at the end I see: the gods are with me in that business, I can start, and it worked. That's an example ,I did many other things much more challenging than that. Everything that I did was extremely difficult, and without the slightest guarantee, and until now I had success in everything by miracle, I'm in the business n 4. And I'm going to fight when te circumstances are ok for something in another level, let's see. I'm just want to give my best, anything else is shit for me, being dead. I want to live, where is the problem with that? Mysticism is just a way to be really alive, not buried in the grief of the ego, open to the real existence, something that seems that very few people dare to do, stuck in the idea of god. Nobody wants the real thing. The humans are like that. And you are speaking like a kinda of fanatic. 

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, gettoefl said:

The good news is, you do not need to be here a moment longer. Your perfect, beautiful, wondrous existence awaits as it always was and will always be. Not one note in your divine orchestra has missed a beat. You have been self-sabotaging by thinking an existence separate from other entities was a possibility. This is utterly foolhardy and fallacious! You are unwittingly denying yourself your birth right by letting yourself drown and suffocate in this strange merciless place.

What are you talking about 😱😱. Man....it's so sad. Seems that you are using spirituality to evasion. Stop reading UCM and take 500 ug of LSD, let's see what happens. Most of you are in the realm of the mind, in the concept. Absolutely Lost without hope. At least some here are getting in the real thing, and that's a lot. But please, stop saying those craziness. 

[Princess Arabia]

55 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What are you talking about 😱😱. Man....it's so sad. Seems that you are using spirituality to evasion. Stop reading UCM and take 500 ug of LSD, let's see what happens. Most of you are in the realm of the mind, in the concept. Absolutely Lost without hope. At least some here are getting in the real thing, and that's a lot. But please, stop saying those craziness. 

No, you're the one. Nothing sad in what he said. You're recommending taking something over reading something - both are still outside of you trying to achieve something. You are in the realm of the ego, control, thinking you're separate and doing something. I don't need lsd to recognize that the egoic mind is clueless. Lost without hope cannot be the case, it only appears as that. Hope is in the future where nothing exists, so hope isn't needed. Hope is an illusion. What is is. No need for hope. NOW, is Hope. Hope is NOW, 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

No, you're the one. Nothing sad in what he said. You're recommending taking something over reading something - both are still outside of you trying to achieve something. You are in the realm of the ego, control, thinking you're separate and doing something. I don't need lsd to recognize that the egoic mind is clueless. Lost without hope cannot be the case, it only appears as that. Hope is in the future where nothing exists, so hope isn't needed. Hope is an illusion. What is is. No need for hope. NOW, is Hope. Hope is NOW, 

16 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

Then stop eating, stop talking with people, and watching all that videos that you watch. It's obvious that you work in the realm of the theory, of the mind. You never opened yourself to the infinity, 90% of people in this forum don't even try to do, just seek relief and evasion 

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then stop eating, stop talking with people, and watching all that videos that you watch. It's obvious that you work in the realm of the theory, of the mind. You never opened yourself to the infinity, 90% of people in this forum don't even try to do, just seek relief and evasion 

Lol. Gotta do something, beats watching twerking on tik tok. Everywhere we go is people criticizing other people. No matter where. Notice? In church, in school, at work, the neighbors, on forums, everywhere, People on this forum are this, people on this forum are that. There's a clue somewhere in this repetitive cycle that humans do everywhere. Ever notice. If you were on Redditt, it would be the Reddit people who weren't opening up to this or that and were too much in the mind. So happens you're on Actualized forum, so it seems you're referring to actualized members in particular, Noooo, you're just a body repeating a script for noone. Hehe

Edited October 2 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lol. Gotta do something, beats watching twerking on tik tok. Everywhere we go is people criticizing other people. No matter where. Notice? In church, in school, at work, the neighbors, on forums, everywhere, People on this forum are this, people on this forum are that. There's a clue somewhere in this repetitive cycle that humans do everywhere. Ever notice. If you were on Redditt, it would be the Reddit people who weren't opening up to this or that and were too much in the mind. So happens you're on Actualized forum, so it seems you're referring to actualized members in particular, Noooo, you're just a body repeating a script for noone. Hehe

Ok, ok, I see your point, so you can criticize me but I can't criticize you. Understood. But dime, what's wrong with doing business? Gettoelf seems to hate it very much, as if it were a horrible sin, and you agree. But they both go to the supermarket, etc., so where is the consistency? It seems strange.

[Princess Arabia]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, ok, I see your point, so you can criticize me but I can't criticize you. Understood. But dime, what's wrong with doing business? Gettoelf seems to hate it very much, as if it were a horrible sin, and you agree. But they both go to the supermarket, etc., so where is the consistency? It seems strange.

I don't see an observation the same as a criticism. I.e. If I say, you're looking for hope when hope doesn't exist, or saying someone is in their ego, or saying you're missing the point about something, or highlighting something about a person to make a point or a suggestion. Those aren't criticisms to me but saying, 90% of the people on the forum are seeking relief and evasion, to me that's a criticism. Maybe I'm being biased, I'm not sure; but I try not to criticize people only point out things they're doing that I may disagree with but not from a trying to tell what to do stance but from just a having a discussion stance and point of view stance and also not try to compare what I do and talk down what they do.

If you read my comments, they don't have an air of criticism to them and it's very rare I speak on what most people are on here doing and criticize people for what they do with their time and life and how they practice spirituality. 

Edited October 2 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I don't see an observation the same as a criticism. I.e. If I say, you're looking for hope when hope doesn't exist, or saying someone is in their ego, or saying you're missing the point about something, or highlighting something about a person to make a point or a suggestion. Those aren't criticisms to me but saying, 90% of the people on the forum are seeking relief and evasion, to me that's a criticism. Maybe I'm being biased, I'm not sure; but I try not to criticize people only point out things they're doing that I may disagree with but not from a trying to tell what to do stance but from just a having a discussion stance and point of view stance and also not try to compare what I do and talk down what they do.

If you read my comments, they don't have an air of criticism to them and it's very rare I speak on what most people are on here doing and criticize people for what they do with their time and life and how they practice spirituality. 

Seems that the difference between a criticism or an observation is whether you say it or they say it to you, but anyway, the point of this discussion is that for@gettoefl it is horrible, atrocious, absurd, terrifying, infernal, the act of doing business. Any spiritual person should flee screaming from any sign of business, it is something that Satan promotes while the baby Jesus cries sadly. but that is said while using a phone, how is it possible?

[theleelajoker]

16 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

(...)

The only goal of Spirituality is just this: Trascending the physical.

(...)

Can't see how you come to the conclusion. My goal re spirituality is for instance is integration of the mental (thoughts, feelings), physical (matter) and spiritual (everything that is not mental or physical) dimensions. In order to do that, I need to open up sufficiently to all of it.

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Seems that the difference between a criticism or an observation is whether you say it or they say it to you, but anyway, the point of this discussion is that for@gettoefl it is horrible, atrocious, absurd, terrifying, infernal, the act of doing business. Any spiritual person should flee screaming from any sign of business, it is something that Satan promotes while the baby Jesus cries sadly. but that is said while using a phone, how is it possible?

I don't think that's what he was saying. At least that's not what I'm saying. Life and business goes on but it's from a place of what's happening and not I have to do this or else...... Life is taking care of itself and that includes when one thinks they have to do and do and do and not understand that the doing is doing them and not the other way around. There's nothing that needs to be done for whatever is already taking place to take place: it's only the mind that thinks so, likewise its only the mind that suffers.

Edited October 2 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Life is taking care of itself and that includes when one thinks they have to do and do and do and not understand that the doing is doing them and not the other way around. There's nothing that needs to be done for whatever is already taking place to take place: it's only the mind that thinks so, likewise its only the mind that suffers.

Then if I'm working 14 h 6x7 is shitty works as I did and I want to do a business to gain enough to be free and work with a lot of calm in something that is a pleasure, as i did, there is nothing that needs to be done? How is it?

[Javfly33]

Let´s remember Spirituality is not about letting go sensessly.

If one just lets go, one is letting go to the compulsions and cycles of the creation, because thats right now where the global consciousness of the reality is stuck.

That is the inertia and current movement. The movement goes nowhere because the movement is a circle. 

So what is it that one has to let go? If you let go inside a hamster wheel do you really think you will go somewhere?  😂

 

What we want is for the Intelligence, the reality, to be Conscious, so that that creations moves forward, from a process of unconsciousness and compulsion to one of consciousness and freedom.

This will come from awakening the intelligence, it won´t come from an effort to let go or a lack of effort of avoiding desires.

 

Avoiding desire and its driving force never worked for anyone...because Life itself is desire.

The question is, are we going to look for a conscious desire, or unconscious desire. 

Are we moving towards entanglement or towards Liberation, that´s the only question there is. 

 

Time being illusory, we can keep this going for much as we want, we better start taking taking a conscious turn outside the wheel. 

Edited October 2 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

When we talk about suffering, we are not talking about being tortured by gengis professional torturers for 7 years, but rather spending all day creating thought loops that are basically: things should not be like this. They should be different, always, in any circumstance. and what should be radically different is the fact that I am mortal, and that cloud is floating in my conscious or unconscious mind all the time.

ending suffering is expanding your mind without limit. You are no longer mortal and it is obvious. Things are as they should be and it is obvious. Your desire to change them falls within the way things are. everything is perfect. We'll have to see how it develops if you are in real troubles, like illness, prison, etc. maybe better than it seems 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then if I'm working 14 h 6x7 is shitty works as I did and I want to do a business to gain enough to be free and work with a lot of calm in something that is a pleasure, as i did, there is nothing that needs to be done? How is it?

Whatever happens is what was needed to be done. You and others miss the point of non-doership. It's not that nothing is being done or decisions aren't being made its that they are being done without anyone's involvement. It's like a system, this system is just happening just like this conversation. It's hard to understand because the ego wants to take credit for everything but there's no ego so there.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

the ego wants to take credit for everything

Then it's what it's needed to happen maybe? 

or if you prefer, from an absolutely infinite perspective nothing is happening. Neither with ego nor without ego, there is no movement, infinite reality is infinitely static since any movement in infinity is zero. and what with that? I don't want to work as a slave, period.