We Are Fucked.

[Atb210201]

Dude religious people are you.

Who do you think you are? a not religious guy?

YOU ARE no-one and everyone at the same time; don't hate yourself, don't hate parts of yourself.

The religious people are literally YOU.

Let them be.

Let yourself be.

Edited September 27 by Atb210201

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, Fearey said:

@Spiritual Warfare What I'm saying is that you'll gain nothing from being angry these people because of their faith. It's very unhealthy to be this obsessed with other peoples way of life. Why put so much effort into it when it won't change anything?

I think people should get to preach what they believe in. I do believe in a free society after all, where people are free to speak their mind, even if I don't agree with what's being said.

I'm obsessed because they are impacting my life and others who don’t share the same cult. So stop being dishonest. Religion does more harm than good, and it has been scientifically proven. They follow orders, not what their own consciousness is telling them, which is a red flag. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

The call is coming from within the house.

Yes, there is religious extremism... and that's a problem. And it's annoying being proselytized to. And we have to watch out politically for Christofascist dictator types who may abuse their positions of power.

But all this fear and desire to fight that you have is more about what you're projecting onto religious people.

Like I've seen you say a few times that you don't want religious people to have the ability to vote... which is incredibly authoritarian.

And you've even projected onto Leo that he's going to be some kind of messiah that protects the world from religious extremists... which he's never expressed interest in doing. He just sees them as state blue people and that they do and will exist. 

So, you are only seeing your own authoritarian, extremist, absolutism in them. And you're trying to oppress them before they oppress you. 

But everything you're saying is 100% about you and the way that you think about things. And if you want to feel safer, you must change the inside first.

It's not all about me because it impacts society, and not in a good way.

Can you explain why you consider it authoritarian to want to restrict voting rights for religious people? Is it not possible to question the use of voting rights without being authoritarian?

It is important to recognize that power can be abused by anyone, regardless of ideology. Being vigilant against abuses of power is a necessity for a functioning society.

 

 

[Scholar]

27 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

It's not all about me because it impacts society, and not in a good way.

Can you explain why you consider it authoritarian to want to restrict voting rights for religious people? Is it not possible to question the use of voting rights without being authoritarian?

It is important to recognize that power can be abused by anyone, regardless of ideology. Being vigilant against abuses of power is a necessity for a functioning society.

 

 

If you have a democracy, and there are so many of those religious people that they would threaten to become their own regime, or whatever, then you can't just take their voting rights away.

The entire system depends on everyone agreeing on the principle of democracy, otherwise you can't have a democracy. You can't just pick a group you don't like and tell them they can't vote. In that case, why would the participate in democracy at all? You will just cause civil war.

[mattm33]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Can you explain why you consider it authoritarian to want to restrict voting rights for religious people?

 

 

Take out the word religious and answer your own question.

[El Zapato]

On 9/26/2024 at 5:15 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

What I wish for is for people not to believe without any good evidence! We will never grow in wisdom if we think that a "sky daddy" will help us! Is that too much to ask? We need to stop respecting religious beliefs and the people who hold them when their actions are often awful.
 

The 'religious' that fit the paradigm that you describe don't even understand what spirituality is?  They are pretending and they don't even know it.  It is sad and all too prevalent.  They are no more religious than most atheists.  And they can be found anywhere and everywhere.  They completely lack a connection to the ineffable.

[Chadders]

@Spiritual Warfare It’s okay don’t worry about whatever the hell other people are doing. If they want to head down that particular path let them do this. They have to go through their own growth and evolution 

Edited September 28 by Chadders

[Spiritual Warfare]

19 hours ago, El Zapato said:

The 'religious' that fit the paradigm that you describe don't even understand what spirituality is?  They are pretending and they don't even know it.  It is sad and all too prevalent.  They are no more religious than most atheists.  And they can be found anywhere and everywhere.  They completely lack a connection to the ineffable.

Correct 

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 hours ago, Chadders said:

@Spiritual Warfare It’s okay don’t worry about whatever the hell other people are doing. If they want to head down that particular path let them do this. They have to go through their own growth and evolution 

I need to worry because they don't only impact themselves, but the whole world as well.

[Chadders]

@Spiritual Warfare There’s nothing you can do about it. Que Sera Sera

The universe is responsible for whatever happens 

[Spiritual Warfare]

18 minutes ago, Chadders said:

@Spiritual Warfare There’s nothing you can do about it. Que Sera Sera

The universe is responsible for whatever happens 

We can, but we need a leader like Hitler for that.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

we need a leader like Hitler for that.

Dude, come on. Don't make us look bad.

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, come on. Don't make us look bad.

I'm going to be honest, Leo, because I know you can handle it. I see religious people the same way Hitler saw the Jews. In my teens, I didn't care about what people believed, not one bit. But then I studied religion, and I found religious people to be very exhausting. I don’t understand how you can handle these people with all the knowledge you have! The fact that you know how far religious people are from the truth and still don’t get mad at them is a gift. That is impressive.

 

[r0ckyreed]

3 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I'm going to be honest, Leo, because I know you can handle it. I see religious people the same way Hitler saw the Jews. In my teens, I didn't care about what people believed, not one bit. But then I studied religion, and I found religious people to be very exhausting. I don’t understand how you can handle these people with all the knowledge you have! The fact that you know how far religious people are from the truth and still don’t get mad at them is a gift. That is impressive.

 

What could help you with that is seeing how you yourself behave and believe false nonsense just like the religious fools at some level. That empathy can create humility. Just think there’s someone above you ridiculing you in the same way you ridicule the religious fools.

Edited September 29 by r0ckyreed

[Hardkill]

4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

We can, but we need a leader like Hitler for that.

Why a leader like Hitler?!

We need a leader like FDR or Winston Churchill to truly save the world.

[Emerald]

On 9/27/2024 at 2:27 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

It's not all about me because it impacts society, and not in a good way.

Can you explain why you consider it authoritarian to want to restrict voting rights for religious people? Is it not possible to question the use of voting rights without being authoritarian?

It is important to recognize that power can be abused by anyone, regardless of ideology. Being vigilant against abuses of power is a necessity for a functioning society.

Of course it's authoritarian in every instance to consider taking people's voting rights away, because you'd be wielding an asymmetrical amount of power to prevent other people from exercising the basic power that democracy affords them.

And yes... power can be abused by ANYONE! 

And that includes you. 

And your desire to take basic voting rights away from religious people would be authoritarian and a huge abuse of power.

This is the issue. You're afraid they're going to be authoritarian and abuse their power over you... precisely because that's what you want to do to them.

And that's true, even if there are lots of authoritarian Christians out there.

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I'm going to be honest, Leo, because I know you can handle it. I see religious people the same way Hitler saw the Jews. In my teens, I didn't care about what people believed, not one bit. But then I studied religion, and I found religious people to be very exhausting. I don’t understand how you can handle these people with all the knowledge you have! The fact that you know how far religious people are from the truth and still don’t get mad at them is a gift. That is impressive.

The call is coming from within the house.

Your issues with religious people are actually a problem you have with unconscious parts of yourself that you see in them.

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I'm going to be honest, Leo, because I know you can handle it. I see religious people the same way Hitler saw the Jews. In my teens, I didn't care about what people believed, not one bit. But then I studied religion, and I found religious people to be very exhausting. I don’t understand how you can handle these people with all the knowledge you have!

You can't force people out of religion. The Communists tried it and it didn't work.

Edited September 29 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can't force people out of religion. The Communists tried it and it didn't work.

I guess that’s why even the CCP in China had to eventually allow at some freedom of religion in their country by the 1980s.

[puporing]

Was I supposed to respond to this, it feels like you're talking about people like me (well there's only one "me" right now technically..).

I have no problem having debates nobody wants to talk to me though or enough opening.

And I am not "dogmatic religious", there's a lot of assumption of what this state is like based on followers of Jesus not the actual Jesus. Followers of Jesus cannot recognize Christ. In fact they will probably hate me because I do not operate like the ways of this world.

I was more hardcore than everyone here for my pursuit of Truth. I had to literally "exit" this world to get here/Kingdom of Heaven, that includes having any form of meaningful relationship with another human, almost nobody wants that and willing to go that far. 

I'm like the least religious person on this planet.. because from my view everyone else is still trapped in various forms of illusion (some are not based on "apperances" but relates to thought, including the thought that Jesus isn't you..) But .. well.. you have bad associations with this name so prob just gonna laugh at what I'm sayin.

Edited September 29 by puporing