We Are Fucked.

[Davino]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

The whole concept of religion is madness and should be banned. I don’t understand why some members of this forum think we should respect it.

What is it that you find so despicable about Religion?

Or are you disappointed about how Religion is done? Or the current Religious ecosystem? Or the maturity and development of Religious individuals? Or the hijacking of Religion for survival and cultural agendas?

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Religions are dying in many countries in Europe. Churches are empty.

Churches are like museums where I live.

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Nothing has power over you unless you give it. How you give it power is by focusing on it and placing your attention there. Getting emotionally charged over particular circumstances. It arose, you charged it, and now you made it come alive. It's the same as me replying to your post. It's not a big deal that I responded, but I'm giving you an example. If I had left this post alone and replied to another thread, this post would be dead to me just like all the other threads from years ago that are still in the database of the forum. 

Look back at all the other things that arise within your awareness in the past that are no longer there, no longer on your mind, no longer making you emotionally charged; they went right back from whence they came.

It can be really challenging; we are talking about billions of people, but those are great points.

[El Zapato]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

The notion of a "normal Christian" is quite a joke. Every religious person seems misguided and should be sent to another planet. I would love to believe that normal Christians exist, but unfortunately, they do not. Every Christian I encounter online appears to be the same repetitive character.

 

Is it Christians that so trips your trigger or is it what you cannot feel that you question?  If you expect everything in the cosmos to bow to your wishes, you are in for a desperately rough time.  Research 'object constancy' for starters would be my mild-mannered suggestion.

[UnbornTao]

The problem is people taking their beliefs as if they themselves were true.

Edited September 27 by UnbornTao

[Nemra]

@Spiritual Warfare, I think you don't like religious people at all, which I do understand. But religious people aren't extremist by default.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

@Spiritual Warfare, I think you don't like religious people at all, which I do understand. But religious people aren't extremist by default.

But they’re kind of silly 

and followers 🐑 

Just like communists, republicans, woke ideology etc. 

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

It can be really challenging; we are talking about billions of people, but those are great points.

You see billions of people; the Universe only sees itself.

[Basman]

16 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

That is not true; people who live without religion are more moral towards other human beings, and it has been proven. Just look at the Middle East, for example; they are killing each other and harboring hatred towards everyone else who does not believe as they do.

I've heard blood feuds where way more prevalent before the advent of Islam in the Middle-East. I could be wrong but according to spiral dynamics, stage blue is above stage red in terms of moral development. For instance, slavery was ended in part due to Christianity. Charity originated from Christianity.

Of course religion is going to be less moral compared to higher stages, like SD stage Green but now we are privileging our own perspectives instead of working with what we have. Religion has its place in society, like it or not. We can of course discuss how exactly but like I pointed out earlier, religions do change and develop.

15 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Yes but its a majority 

Religious fundamentalists are not the majority. This is a bad faith caricature.

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, Davino said:

What is it that you find so despicable about Religion?

Or are you disappointed about how Religion is done? Or the current Religious ecosystem? Or the maturity and development of Religious individuals? Or the hijacking of Religion for survival and cultural agendas?

I’ll keep it short and simple: all religions are wrong. It’s not even a question of whether a deity exists, who cares? When you prioritize your salvation over basic human understanding and refuse to investigate, you become part of the problem. I cannot accept a God who condones slavery, murder, and rape. In fact, it is those who adhere to such beliefs who perpetuate the issue, and the so-called word of God is nothing more than propaganda.

When did the sanctity of precious life become less significant than the pursuit of eternal salvation? This is a troubling question that deserves serious reflection. I could elaborate endlessly on this topic, but I’ll refrain for now. Just to clarify, when I referred to "you," I did not mean you, Davino; my words were directed toward religious individuals in general.

[Spiritual Warfare]

12 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Spiritual Warfare, I think you don't like religious people at all, which I do understand. But religious people aren't extremist by default.

I’m sorry, but that is truly how I feel. I think you just happened to meet the more reasonable ones. Even Leo agrees that every Christian can be a douchebag. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

15 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

The problem is people taking their beliefs as if they were what's true.

Exactly! Thank you for commenting on that. They never question their beliefs because they have given all their authority to their dusty book.
 

[Hojo]

@Spiritual Warfare Extremists are just adults or children that have been manipulated by others.

Imagine you were born and you have no idea what is going on and the adults in your life are telling you that you are under attack and god sent you hereto kill yourself for him. Humans can be programmed to believe anything its not their fault.

Edited September 26 by Hojo

[Spiritual Warfare]

18 minutes ago, El Zapato said:

Is it Christians that so trips your trigger or is it what you cannot feel that you question?  If you expect everything in the cosmos to bow to your wishes, you are in for a desperately rough time.  Research 'object constancy' for starters would be my mild-mannered suggestion.

What I wish for is for people not to believe without any good evidence! We will never grow in wisdom if we think that a "sky daddy" will help us! Is that too much to ask? We need to stop respecting religious beliefs and the people who hold them when their actions are often awful.
 

[Nemra]

16 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

But they’re kind of silly and followers

That's for sure.

16 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Just like communists, republicans, woke ideology etc. 

Well, identifying with political ideology is different than being religious.

I think that political ideologies provide beliefs about the "external," whereas religions provide beliefs about the "internal."

Edited September 26 by Nemra

[Javfly33]

Nobody knows if those fundamentalist suicide terrorist actually achieve Nirvana doing that.

Every day in more suspect of how this dream actually works... 

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Spiritual Warfare Extremists are just adults or children that have been manipulated by others.

Imagine you were born and you have no idea what is going on and the adults in your life are telling you that you are under attack and god sent you hear to kill yourself for him. Humans can be programmed to believe anything its not their fault.

Yeah, but it’s just so incredibly exhausting. I can't accept that.

[Nemra]

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I’m sorry, but that is truly how I feel. I think you just happened to meet the more reasonable ones. Even Leo agrees that every Christian can be a douchebag. 

No need to be sorry. I understand you.

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Javfly33 said:

Nobody knows if those fundamentalist suicide terrorist actually achieve Nirvana doing that.

Every day in more suspect of how this dream actually works... 

This dream is insane; please make it stop.
 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

No need to be sorry. I understand you.

I understand you