Love feels like A = A

[Rishabh R]

@Leo Gura  Ok so it's a deal of biases as we all are biased and does biases recieve us to the fact that even if we get our biases fulfilled we will be happy but it is just a falsehood created by ego ?

Edited September 26 by Rishabh R

[Davino]

4 hours ago, Rishabh R said:

Ok so it's a deal of biases as we all are biased and does biases recieve us to the fact that even if we get our biases fulfilled we will be happy but it is just a falsehood created by ego ?

You got the bigger picture, but I wouldn't call it falsehood. You preferring chocolate ice cream vs vanilla ice cream, is not falsehood, it's just a bias of yours. Your own human form is a universal bias, it is this form and you don't want it to be any other form, like being cut in half.

So there are degrees of quality to bias. Some are intelligent and with meaning, others are there and we don't know why and others are just wrong understanding, ...

[Inliytened1]

16 hours ago, Loveeee said:

During my last trip I deeply experienced what felt like not merely infinite pleasure but infinite love 

But I can't remember the difference, why did I call it love

I feel like it wasn't a mind thing, more like physical or rather metaphysical, like my being/consciousness was in metaphysical grasp with itself, just like A = A

Being is Identity is Love 

I may just be parroting Leo though 

Dude you ARE Leo.  Just let it flow so you can awaken for Christ sake. 

[Javfly33]

16 hours ago, Rishabh R said:

@Leo Gura If girls reject me and then start loving other guys is it ego or biased love ?

ego is the pain you feel when girls reject you

The mind will distract you to not want to look straight into that pain, instead it will tell stories the problem is in girls loving other guys...

Is never on the outside, always internal...look finally within or suffer eternally. The choice is obvious.

Edited September 27 by Javfly33

[Leo Gura]

Once you understand why you do not love a pig, you will understand why a girl doesn't love you.

Edited September 27 by Leo Gura

[theleelajoker]

16 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Why haven't scientists told all of humanity that everything is one and that duality is an illusion? You don’t have to be a genius to figure that out! It literally takes just a few minutes. I hate this planet.

My first thought: Yeah, why not? Would be great to avoid wars, conflicts, fights for resources etc, right?

Then my second thought: It would not be the same "cosmic game" anymore, would it? Something (NOT "someone" I don't believe in shadow societies ruling the world)  has an interest to either keep this, or to let things evolve slowly, right?

[Spiritual Warfare]

13 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

My first thought: Yeah, why not? Would be great to avoid wars, conflicts, fights for resources etc, right?

Then my second thought: It would not be the same "cosmic game" anymore, would it? Something (NOT "someone" I don't believe in shadow societies ruling the world)  has an interest to either keep this, or to let things evolve slowly, right?

What do you think are the benefits of allowing things to evolve slowly? Could there be value in gradual understanding rather than immediate enlightenment? If there is a 'cosmic game' at play, what do you think its purpose is?

 

 

 

 

 

[Rishabh R]

@Leo Gura  haha . I was hurt a bit by your comment but I didn't see the funny side of you. I think it's a matter of choice . 

[theleelajoker]

3 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

What do you think are the benefits of allowing things to evolve slowly? Could there be value in gradual understanding rather than immediate enlightenment? If there is a 'cosmic game' at play, what do you think its purpose is?

Full transparency: I am heavily influenced by the hindu ideas of "Maya", "Leela /Lila"; big Fan of Stanislav Grov, Alan Watts for example. My replies are basically "their replies". Why? The simply resonate the most with me. It simply feels "true" for me since many years (that might change in the future, who knows?)

That being said, my answers:

1. Benefit of slow evolving: It's like listening to a song, or dancing a dance: The goal is not to come to the end of the song fast; the shortest songs are not the best songs just bc they are short; and you don't dance to get to the other side of the room - you do it bc you enjoy the process of dancing, listening to music etc

2. Value gradual understanding: See no 1; See hero journey, typical storytelling, your own life; the feeling of deserving, the feeling of putting in work and then finally realizing it; love stories that have some resistance vs. everything went smooth from beginning to end. Great stories have great processes.

3. Cosmic Game: Tbh, the more I dive into my own personal development, my own levels of consciousness, the more I think it's just entertainment. Simply entertainment.

The poem below it's translated automatically but I think you can understand it's message-

The finger pointing to the moon

If you point your finger at the moon and you concentrate on the finger, you miss the heavenly splendor,because you are too busy with yourself. But you're not important at all, because without the moon You wouldn't be able to see your finger at all. See your opponent as a moon. Because without an opponent there is no fight. Now delete the emotion, the words Evoke “enemies” or “enemies” in you and now see him as a teammate. Because without players the game is boring. Then play your game and never change it without an absolute reason! Your biggest enemy is your ego. Even more than your counterpart. Therefore, before you want to defeat another, you should You have to start yourself. See everything as a game. You would like to win, but if you are only on If you think you win, you will probably lose. You Doesn't have to be the best, but you should try.

Edited September 27 by theleelajoker

[gettoefl]

22 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Why haven't scientists told all of humanity that everything is one and that duality is an illusion? You don’t have to be a genius to figure that out! It literally takes just a few minutes. I hate this planet.

An ego loves this idea and will trumpet this doctrine from the rooftops

It's a way of keeping ITS kingdom intact with IT on the highest throne

Egos are fiendishly sneaky, beware

[numbersinarow]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Once you understand why you do not love a pig, you will understand why a girl doesn't love you.

Literally the exact logic I would use if I was a nazi trying to make a holocaust victim understand what is being done to them.

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

Literally the exact logic I would use if I was a nazi trying to make a holocaust victim understand what is being done to them.

Not loving someone vs killing them is quite a different sort of thing. Nobody is obligated to love you. Meanwhile murder is illegal.

Edited September 28 by Leo Gura

[numbersinarow]

11 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

Literally the exact logic I would use if I was a nazi trying to make a holocaust victim understand what is being done to them.

I cannot understand an action done for seemingly no reason based on an action that seems like common sense to me.

Can you convince someone who is not smart to think the Nazis were in the wrong? You can't convince that person if they think blacks have lower IQs, to them, Hitler will always be the good guy.

You could, on the other hand, show someone that blacks are better at certain things and allure them into dropping their support for Hitler in that way.

I do in fact care about the pig if I'm eating one, I'm using one because it makes sense to me. As I have pointed out in previous threads it makes sense to me that people do certain things... but then when it comes to sex, people (including guys, not just girls) run away from it like it's a t-rex charging towards them.

So I understand my relation towards the pig, but I don't understand what a girls thinks of me or what her attitude is for her to think some men should be allowed certain things, and others shouldn't, and she doesn't have any criterion e.g. looks, charisma, intelligence, hard work etc 

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not loving someone vs killing them is quite a different sort of thing.

We absolutely do kill and eat pigs.

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

We absolutely do kill and eat pigs.

Sure, but that plays no part in my analogy.

Not sure why you gotta associate my analogy with killing things. We were talking about choice of sexual partner.

Why do you not have sex with pigs? Contemplate it.

Edited September 28 by Leo Gura

[numbersinarow]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Sure, but that plays no part in my analogy.

Not sure why you gotta associate my analogy with killing things. We were talking about choice of sexual partner.

I think that's because of the choice of words in it AKA pig.

Bias, which is the point of your analogy as you clarified in the other thread, is the cause of why pigs get killed.

I still don't see how I can understand the choices girls make from looking at my own biases in relation to pigs due to the things I've said in my comment above.

[Javfly33]

3 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

I think that's because of the choice of words in it AKA pig.

Bias, which is the point of your analogy as you clarified in the other thread, is the cause of why pigs get killed.

I still don't see how I can understand the choices girls make from looking at my own biases in relation to pigs due to the things I've said in my comment above.

Your problem with girls is the same as why you are getting triggered with Leo's pig thing bro...

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, numbersinarow said:

I think that's because of the choice of words in it AKA pig.

I said pig because it was funny.

Quote

Bias, which is the point of your analogy as you clarified in the other thread, is the cause of why pigs get killed.

Yes. A lot of stuff happens due to bias. Bias is a very broad dynamic that shapes every aspect of human life. Of course genocide is an instance of bias.

Edited September 28 by Leo Gura

[numbersinarow]

30 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Your problem with girls is the same as why you are getting triggered with Leo's pig thing bro...

You're failing to just engage with simple arguments and need to call someone triggered. How can you claim to be any better?

[Javfly33]

28 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

You're failing to just engage with simple arguments and need to call someone triggered. How can you claim to be any better?

You having problems with girls and with leo's phrase comes from the same place that makes you ask that question. 

I never said I was better than you.

Edited September 28 by Javfly33

[numbersinarow]

11 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You having problems with girls and with leo's phrase comes from the same place that makes you ask that question. 

I never said I was better than you.

I obviously have no problem with the phrase...? But I don't think that phrase can really help someone understand the motivations of girls.

Practically anyone would assume he was using "pig" instead of cat or dog because that's an animal we kill and eat. Or at least that's extremely reasonable to assume.

Someone reflects on their own biases, sees how they eat animals, and start to understand the biases of others. If hypothetically that was what was being said, that would be okay and could help some people but in this case, the behavior of girls towards the person who Leo was talking to, is too strange for that.

Edited September 28 by numbersinarow