About bullying, domination, 'devilry', etc...

[Princess Arabia]

@Javfly33A bully only bullies because he/she doesn't love themselves and they are weak and looking for love. It's not about being bad, but ignorant of the law - the law of one. In the big scheme of things the bully and the victim are one, so saying God created individuality is a sham and spews from ignorance. The victim is there to help that bully recognize who they are, and in the relative world he will go through circumstances that will bring him back to that recognition; and it will be strings of incidences that, if traced back, will lead that bully right back to it's victim which is actually himself.

These are the types of things God puts itself through so it can live through experiences to bring itself back to itself. Every challenge we go through in life, we put them there just so we don't become too complacent and coast through life and that victim is one of them. 

[Nemra]

Let's say your kid gets bullied every day, and someday you become aware of that. What would you think about it?

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

By me not judgning Bullies and seeing that they are eternally innocent, I dissolve the ego structure. 

This makes no sense. Eternally innocent leaves room for eternally guilty. The ego doesn't need to be dissolved, it needs to be recognized as being non-existent.

[Lyubov]

I don’t believe there are inherently bad people. All is accepted. That doesn’t mean everyone connects to truth or that everyone doesn’t live out whatever unresolved issues or dysfunctional beliefs they have. Bullying only exists on a hierarchy where one person believes they can be better than another person by acting cruel towards them. They are acting in a way they believe brings them value, but it’s impossible to earn value, you are value, divine. It’s  impossible to create a bully if one realizes it is one simply by the very premise of what a bully is. 

Edited September 26 by Lyubov

[Lyubov]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This makes no sense. Eternally innocent leaves room for eternally guilty. The ego doesn't need to be dissolved, it needs to be recognized as being non-existent.

Eternally innocent and guilty are added in labels, not wholeness. You are neither innocent or guilty. Why not dissolve what’s there and see what actually is? 

Edited September 26 by Lyubov

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Lyubov said:

Eternally innocent and guilty are added in labels, not wholeness. You are neither innocent or guilty. Why not dissolve what’s there and see what actually is? 

I was pointing to the fact that there's no such thing as eternally innocent. That was my point. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

[Lyubov]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

I was pointing to the fact that there's no such thing as eternally innocent. That was my point. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

Oh I see, yes good point 

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Let's say your kid gets bullied every day, and someday you become aware of that. What would you think about it?

If somebody burns his house down and leaves him homeless, they are eternally innocent and not the bad guy. He's the one to be blamed for allowing that to happen and needs to shape up and love himself more. How about that, forget his kid being bullied. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Oh I see, yes good point 

👍

[Princess Arabia]

19 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Is YOU GUYS THAT CREATE EVIL by calling me a devil.

Excuse me. Look at the heading of your post. You also created devilry by suggesting it in your heading.

[Nemra]

@Princess Arabia, would you tell your kids that they don't love themselves enough and are responsible for being in that situation?

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Nemra said:

@Princess Arabia, would you tell your kids that they don't love themselves enough and are responsible for being in that situation?

No, I was simply stating what OP stated about the victims. 

[Nemra]

Oh, sorry. Still, It's a great question.

Edited September 26 by Nemra

[Joshe]

Someone has said that from the absolute perspective, evil does not exist. 

But do you live in the absolute?

Because here in the relative, if I tie you up and drag you to my basement and burn your face with a hot iron, you will call me evil, and if I tell you I'm really not evil, and that from God's perspective, I'm good, and you're just wrong and biased, you would call me a lunatic and you would then call God a fucked up piece of shit for accepting my evil into his kingdom. 😂

So, let's get real. Evil does exist. We can call it what it is, but doing so restricts the devil. (awareness alone is curative)

Considering others interferes with the Devil's prime directive, which is to allow their animalistic whims as much uninhibited expression as possible. 😂 

 

[Lyubov]

17 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Someone has said that from the absolute perspective, evil does not exist. 

But do you live in the absolute?

Because here in the relative, if I tie you up and drag you to my basement and burn your face with a hot iron, you will call me evil, and if I tell you I'm really not evil, and that from God's perspective, I'm good, and you're just wrong and biased, you would call me a lunatic and you would then call God a fucked up piece of shit for accepting my evil into his kingdom. 😂

So, let's get real. Evil does exist. We can call it what it is, but doing so restricts the devil. (awareness alone is curative)

Considering others interferes with the Devil's prime directive, which is to allow their animalistic whims as much uninhibited expression as possible. 😂 

 

It’s a game of words and notions. Any sensible and reasonable person grounded in their life would of course agree you can act cruel and evil. I don’t think anyone is actually in denial here that there’s a balanced and healthy way to live that’s spiritual and there’s an opposite to that which could include hurting other people. That’s the problem with these discussions that people try to solidify the Devine so much that it boggles the mind, since at the end of the day all these discussions here are basically yapping. Every person here would agree they don’t want cruel and hurtful things done to them by another person. This does not contradict truth. And I believe it’s possible to live from the absolute perspective, hear no evil see no evil, while at the same time holding this preference and point of self reference for preservation, I know so from experience. 

Edited September 26 by Lyubov

[Joshe]

@Lyubov You yourself acknowledge that some things are evil and should be avoided, and I agree with you. That was my point. I was making a point about not justifying evil with some higher truth, especially if one does not actually live from that. 

26 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I believe it’s possible to live from the absolute perspective, hear no evil see no evil, while at the same time holding this preference and point of self reference for preservation

Yes, I believe it's possible as well, but to do it, you'll have to surrender some selfishness rather than double down in it. Devils cannot attain this. 

[Lyubov]

3 hours ago, Joshe said:

@Lyubov You yourself acknowledge that some things are evil and should be avoided, and I agree with you. That was my point. I was making a point about not justifying evil with some higher truth, especially if one does not actually live from that. 

Yes, I believe it's possible as well, but to do it, you'll have to surrender some selfishness rather than double down in it. Devils cannot attain this. 

I don’t like the word evil, far too biblical for my taste. If you agree that evil is action based on a lie then I’m fine using this word in this conversation. So then yes there’s plenty of people doing evil things, but to me truth is beyond morals. So if you are calling it evil because you think it’s good or bad, that’s subjective. At one point in time society thought it was morally wrong to be homosexual but that has since changed, what is considered moral is often subject to change but it does tie in with truth. 

What do you mean by “surrender some selfishness”?

[Ulax]

5 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

By me not judgning Bullies and seeing that they are eternally innocent, I dissolve the ego structure. 

 

By concluding they are eternally innocent you are judging bullies

[mmKay]

10 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

mmm but you still think Abusers are the bad ones? Thats your Karma...

Surrender it and you´ll see the 'victims' are the same as Bullys...

In fact the mere fact that you have VICTIM in your vocabulary means you are still using the dualistic paradigm

In my world victim no longer exists.

My life is my karma. Im responsible for everything.

My biggest bully is my GURU. I bow down to him.

You're stuck in one of the traps of relativism. That perspective is rationalizing selfishness by weaponizing relativism, conflating absolute Truth with relative truths, or denying the basic preferences or biases that come with being alive or being human beings.

Check out 9 stages of ego development. What you need is to do the jump from Individualist stage to Strategist stage ( stage 5 to stage 6) 

Don't overlook the simple fact that you personally would rather be loved than hated. You would rather experience joy than pain and fun than suffering. Denying that is just silly

That kind of relativism leads to zen devilry, nihilism and spiritual bypassing, lots of confusion and becoming ungrounded 

By your logic you could rationalize that rape and sex is a duality because consent doesn't exist.  But in practice there is a big difference if we were speaking about your own daughter or sister . Relativism falls apart in the real world and is one of the limits of post modernism and the conceptual mind

[Keryo Koffa]

There is no evil, but there is wasting time like a boss arguing without nuance & perspectival integration