Very mysterious phrase of sadhguru

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I would say make it a priority above all else..above investing - above building wealth - to be at the gym 4-5 days a week.  But to muddy the waters further sometimes our job (survival needs) might not afford us the time to care for our physical (and mental) health.   Is it fair that our health must suffer in exchange for putting food on the table?  Someone like Sadhguru has no excuse to make time for fitness.  But for many it's not so easy.  

Sadhguru is workholic, that's his choice. Maybe he does to serve the society . But let's see, a guy who lives in a state of meditation, who according to him is in contact with the 84 dimensions and who knows his past lives, doesn't he realize that he has a stroke? He is perhaps an addict who only looks outside himself to escape and who feeds on attention and power. I say "maybe." Because if you go around proclaiming that you can walk on water, and then you don't realize that you're about to die, I don't buy it.

[Breakingthewall]

@Carl-Richard @Inliytened1 remember that sadhguru claims that he's not a human like you and me, he's a kinda of avatar who can protect you from demons and enlightened you just with his presence 

[Inliytened1]

57 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sadhguru is workholic, that's his choice. Maybe he does to serve the society . But let's see, a guy who lives in a state of meditation, who according to him is in contact with the 84 dimensions and who knows his past lives, doesn't he realize that he has a stroke? He is perhaps an addict who only looks outside himself to escape and who feeds on attention and power. I say "maybe." Because if you go around proclaiming that you can walk on water, and then you don't realize that you're about to die, I don't buy it.

Yeah all that crap would be some type of God complex or like you said part of his addiction to work, wealth, and power.   I don't disagree.  If he truly had mystical insights into the nature of reality but then fell subject to the traps of being in the human mind and body  ~ well then I'd say he's human.   

 

Edited September 27 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

@Breakingthewall

51 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sadhguru is workholic, that's his choice. Maybe he does to serve the society . But let's see, a guy who lives in a state of meditation, who according to him is in contact with the 84 dimensions and who knows his past lives, doesn't he realize that he has a stroke? He is perhaps an addict who only looks outside himself to escape and who feeds on attention and power. I say "maybe." Because if you go around proclaiming that you can walk on water, and then you don't realize that you're about to die, I don't buy it.

One thing i do want to add is that there may have been times where he witnessed or even performed miracles via mysticism but that is only a temporary state of Consciousness while he is still in finite form.  So his behavior now doesn't mean he didnt walk on water and now turned it into some sort of twisted wealth building scheme to feed his work addiction.

[UnbornTao]

On 9/27/2024 at 0:41 AM, Carl-Richard said:

You just have to get calmer then. You could make it a daily practice ;D

How dare you!

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I'm not saying receiving grace is easy. It requires extreme devotion, openness and surrender. In a sense, you have to fully buy into his bullshit to receive it. You can't be a cynic. You have to be a follower. That is a feature, not a bug. Your skeptical mind will sabotage you against receiving it. And that is what he meant with the "mysterious" quote: your mind is playing tricks on you, so he has to play tricks on it to crack it open.

That's fair.

Paying close attention helps in determining whether a communication is authentic, at least as a personal estimation. How this differs from chatter and entertainment is often clear. Not saying this necessarily applies to this case.

How come his work is so extremely popular and followed?

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You can judge his assertions based on what your mind is feeding you or you can become directly conscious of what his state is through empathic synchronization. This is a human ability you're born with; feeling other people's state. Some people are naturally better at it than others, but you can train it. Nevertheless, if you listen to your mind too often, you'll become a cynic. If you open your heart, you'll (eventually) see things for what they are.

To a certain degree, I did–my state shifted to one of increased calm, relaxation, deeper presence. Yet what are we talking about here? Going to a spa is also relaxing. Aren't we looking into states?

Another enlightened "nutcase" for us to listen to in this context:

 

Edited September 28 by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Breakingthewall

One thing i do want to add is that there may have been times where he witnessed or even performed miracles via mysticism but that is only a temporary state of Consciousness while he is still in finite form.  So his behavior now doesn't mean he didnt walk on water and now turned it into some sort of twisted wealth building scheme to feed his work addiction.

More than wealth, power. He's a real power in India, and power is addictive. The point for me is about those weird assessment, like the people that die in an accident goes to a hellish dimension, there are 84 universes, or that he knows his past lifes, etc. Seems that he shows that he knows how the cosmos works, and maybe it's just a lie to sell his character, like he's a Messiah, to attract people to him. You could say: well, just small lies to reach more people. But for me if you lie in something you are just a liar, probably you lie in everything 

Edited September 27 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

More than wealth, power. He's a real power in India, and power is addictive. The point for me is about those weird assessment, like the people that die in an accident goes to a hellish dimension, there are 84 universes, or that he knows his past lifes, etc. Seems that he shows that he knows how the cosmos works, and maybe it's just a lie to sell his character, like he's a Messiah, to attract people to him. You could say: well, just small lies to reach more people. But for me if you lie in something you are just a liar, probably you lie in everything 

All that stuff to me shows either:

1. He's completely awake and just wants to deceive everyone in his dream to make more money for himself in his own dream.

2. He's not awake and caught up in the the whole idea of there being one objective reality with one objective outcome and this is how it is.

In Truth if he really wanted to be honest he would tell his students that everything is subjective and everyone is God creating their own reality on the fly.

This however, can be very damaging to his career and identity so he dare not go there.

 

[Breakingthewall]

50 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

In Truth if he really wanted to be honest he would tell his students that everything is subjective and everyone is God creating their own reality on the fly.

That's a mistake, subjective is an adjective and from an absolute perspective it has no meaning, and you are not creating your own reality, you are the total reality from an absolute perspective, but from a relative perspective are infinite realities synchronyzed, then you are infinitely limited, and over all, that doesn't mean nothing, the only thing that you could say is: existence exist. Then you have to realize what it really means, nobody can tell to anyone else what you are, because the concepts are just a construction 

Edited September 27 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's a mistake, subjective is an adjective and from an absolute perspective it has no meaning, and you are not creating your own reality, you are the total reality from an absolute perspective, but from a relative perspective are infinite realities synchronyzed, and over all, that doesn't mean nothing, the only thing that you could say is: existence exist. Then you have to realize what it really means, nobody can tell to anyone else what you are, because the concepts are just a construction 

Isn't this subjective though?  This is your take of reality.   I hope you see the vicious strange loop - forcing one back to relativity.   Even my comments now are not objective.  It was true whomever said the only objectivity is subjectivity.

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Breakingthewall

One thing i do want to add is that there may have been times where he witnessed or even performed miracles via mysticism but that is only a temporary state of Consciousness while he is still in finite form.  So his behavior now doesn't mean he didnt walk on water and now turned it into some sort of twisted wealth building scheme to feed his work addiction.

Yeap, thats true, states of consciousness differ.

You can go to a very Deep state of perception but dont stay there for too long.

Is OBVIOUS sadhguru is not a Magical being guys...he is a human as us, and he constantly dances around between being more conscious or engaging in more materialistic activities.

 

Is like ANY OF US when maybe we go 1 month retreat and start going super profound towards reality and Awakening but then we go back to the materialistic dream. 

Or when Leo did that psychedelic marathon and then stop the Dissolution..

 

At the end of the day sadhguru is just another character of God, another character of the dream.

If It raise your vibration use It, if It lowers It discards It.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Yeap, thats true, states of consciousness differ.

You can go to a very Deep state of perception but dont stay there for too long.

Is OBVIOUS sadhguru is not a Magical being guys...he is a human as us, and he constantly dances around between being more conscious or engaging in more materialistic activities.

 

Is like ANY OF US when maybe we go 1 month retreat and start going super profound towards reality and Awakening but then we go back to the materialistic dream. 

Or when Leo did that psychedelic marathon and then stop the Dissolution..

 

At the end of the day sadhguru is just another character of God, another character of the dream.

If It raise your vibration use It, if It lowers It discards It.

Love it!  

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Isn't this subjective though?  This is your take of reality.   I hope you see the vicious strange loop - forcing one back to relativity.   Even my comments now are not objective.  It was true whomever said the only objectivity is subjectivity.

What I meant is that the interpretation: I'm god dreaming the reality, is absolutely wrong. 1 god vs the reality, 2 dreaming. Look, if were true you were creating infinite relative realities, then you have to coordinate all of them, and as they are infinite, you couldn't create as you want but as you can, and as they are infinite you didn't create them but they existed since always, then all the infinite relative realities are creating your reality, and you are pushing to create the others infinite realities, or in short, ask leo to transform himself in an alien multicolored, let's see if he can. Maybe he can't change even an atom, because it's límited by the other infinite relative realities 

But the point is that all of that are second order realizations, the thing is realize what you are. You are unlimited, be unlimited is what we are looking for, not knowing things, knowing is just an interesting mental exercise 

Edited September 27 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I meant is that the interpretation: I'm god dreaming the reality, is absolutely wrong. 1 god vs the reality, 2 dreaming. Look, if were true you were creating infinite relative realities, then you have to coordinate all of them, and as they are infinite, you couldn't create as you want but as you can, and as they are infinite you didn't create them but they existed since always, then all the infinite relative realities are creating your reality, and you are pushing to create the others infinite realities, or in short, ask leo to transform himself in an alien multicolored, let's see if he can. Maybe he can't change even an atom, because it's límited by the other infinite relative realities 

But the point is that all of that are second order realizations, the thing is realize what you are. You are unlimited, be unlimited is what we are looking for, not knowing things, knowing is just an interesting mental exercise 

Ask yourself why is it wrong?  One God or One Singular Conscious entity dreaming up this whole thing.  Dreaming up self and other ..dreaming up everything.   Why couldn't that be possible?  Well..it turns out that not only is it possible but it IS reality.  Very funny thing 

Edited September 27 by Inliytened1

[Davino]

@UnbornTao I really like Adi Da. One of the few Mystics I truly appreciate. It's a pity how misunderstood he is while embodying and speaking from a Godly Realization.

 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

38 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ask yourself why is it wrong?  One God or One Singular Conscious entity dreaming up this whole thing.  Dreaming up self and other ..dreaming up everything.   Why couldn't that be possible?  Well..it turns out that not only is it possible but it IS reality.  Very funny thing 

You could call the reality god, but it's a powerless god, because can't choose exist, can't choose that in him infinite forms arise, can't choose that all of them are perfect, cyclical, in eternal movement, then that God is just the consecuence of the absence of limitations, it's just the reality, not an entity with a will and a plan, that's anthropomorphize the reality. There is not creation, it's relative movement that being infinite can't avoid be infinitely intelligent. A god that does things is a limit, reality is limitless. Welcome to the great abyss of existence, a place where few people has the balls to take a look. 

[UnbornTao]

3 hours ago, Davino said:

@UnbornTao I really like Adi Da. One of the few Mystics I truly appreciate. It's a pity how misunderstood he is while embodying and speaking from a Godly Realization.

 

 

 

Yeah, that seems to come with the territory.

On the other hand, his cult was problematic.

[Javfly33]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxmnkoR1JFSTQXHESZ-lUXcZKZCxjy7qXp?si=5ZIdL5wjgDl49Zc5 

what about this clip, is pretty crazy too

[Breakingthewall]

16 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxmnkoR1JFSTQXHESZ-lUXcZKZCxjy7qXp?si=5ZIdL5wjgDl49Zc5 

what about this clip, is pretty crazy too

Same than everything that he says, like that he's visited by aliens, or that people over 83 go to nirvana, and who dies in an accident go to hell, 84 universes, etc. seems that he want to filter, he wants people without criteria, believers. Or maybe the explanation is simpler: he's becoming crazy, delirium due too much attention 

Edited September 30 by Breakingthewall