Very mysterious phrase of sadhguru

[gettoefl]

32 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

@gettoefl this clip comes to mind... https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSOHURNrlFxADFq4qIFmyurxbXl6zr0CW?si=vvJSlPXHkx5et8Tx

Yes it is absolutely a choice

Problem is 99% who live don't know there's a choice

And even the 1% don't see eye to eye as we see here

Which is why I say, listen to no one and find what works yourself

It's lonely and thankless and painful but it actually works

Joy is guaranteed and irreversible

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Whenever you are not wholly joyous, it is because you have reacted with a lack of love to one of God's creations. Perceiving this as something bad, you become defensive because you expect attack. The decision to react in this way is yours, and can therefore be undone.

 

[Someone here]

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I guess. At one point the mind stuff is a blockage.

But the creation has rules...if sitting in a certain way makes your body more attuned to "Nirvana", is important to teach that.

You guys will say whatever you want, but there are rules in the dream.

The rules are inevitable... You have 300% more possibility of an enlightment experience if you are meditating in your house than if you are partying in a nightclub snorting coke and drinking alcohol. 

Dude did you read what I said ? Nobody said nothing about going to the pub or drugging your ass ( although you guys love the taste of 5 Meo up your assess).

I said Sadhguru teaches relative knowledge..stuff like chackras for instance ..which is just new agey hindu nonsense.

If you follow Sadhguru he is going to make you subscribe to belief systems and that's 180 degree the opposite of enlightenment.  Its antithetical. 

To awaken you must kill yourself mentally. Completely surrender. Not intellectualize about hippy spirituality bullshit. 

[Javfly33]

34 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Dude did you read what I said ? Nobody said nothing about going to the pub or drugging your ass ( although you guys love the taste of 5 Meo up your assess).

I said Sadhguru teaches relative knowledge..stuff like chackras for instance ..which is just new agey hindu nonsense.

If you follow Sadhguru he is going to make you subscribe to belief systems and that's 180 degree the opposite of enlightenment.  Its antithetical. 

To awaken you must kill yourself mentally. Completely surrender. Not intellectualize about hippy spirituality bullshit. 

he does not teach intellectualization...he stresses the importance of doing sadhana which is a tool to "surrender" too.

Again, Relative knowledge is important to make the process as straight forward as possible. 

 

Edited September 26 by Javfly33

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

he does not teach intellectualization...he stresses the importance of doing sadhana which are tools to "surrender" too.

Again, Relative knowledge is important to make the process as straight forward as possible. 

 

Its like saying you actually need sleeping pills to fall asleep.  You do if you have insomnia or panic attacks or recurring nightmares etc

Falling asleep happens naturally by dropping resistance and just basking in full relaxation.  No pills (Sadhana) is required.  

 

[Javfly33]

Just now, Someone here said:

Its like saying you actually need sleeping pills to fall asleep.  You do if you have insomnia or panic attacks or recurring nightmares etc

Falling asleep happens naturally by dropping resistance and just basking in full relaxation.  No pills (Sadhana) is required.  

 

I agree. If you are on that level no tools are needed.

[UnbornTao]

On 9/26/2024 at 2:45 AM, Carl-Richard said:

Try this out as a meditative exercise:

Find a YouTube video where he speaks in a spiritual setting (e.g. this one). Observe him closely for the entire video. Do not listen to the words — observe him. Observe how he moves, observe how he talks, observe his gaze. Do this while sitting in an upright and relaxed posture while breathing deeply and slowly (before you begin, take a few deep breaths).

At some point, try to imagine how he experiences the present moment as he speaks. Do this while closely observing him. Then, after a while, open up another video of a random person speaking and compare what you see with what you just saw (or repeat the same procedure for them).

Quite calming. That doesn't mean an experience is being conveyed, though. People conflate feeling good with the act of communicating, and generally prefer the former without knowing the difference. Being graceful and in a state of calmness and relaxation are very positive qualities, yet don't equate those things with consciousness of one's nature.

Set aside the persona, and attempt to ascertain whether she is being authentic.

In any case, we can still benefit from work that isn't enlightenment-based.

Edited September 27 by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

16 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Quite calming. That doesn't mean an experience is being gotten across, though. People conflate feeling good with communication, and prefer the former without knowing the difference. Being graceful and producing a state of calmness and relaxation are very positive things, yet don't equate knowing what you are.

You just have to get calmer then. You could make it a daily practice ;D

I'm not saying receiving grace is easy. It requires extreme devotion, openness and surrender. In a sense, you have to fully buy into his bullshit to receive it. You can't be a cynic. You have to be a follower. That is a feature, not a bug. Your skeptical mind will sabotage you against receiving it. And that is what he meant with the "mysterious" quote: your mind is playing tricks on you, so he has to play tricks on it to crack it open.

 

16 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Set aside the persona, and attempt to ascertain whether he is authentically conscious of his nature. And consider: Assertions were made—were they implicitly meant to be believed? Where are they coming from? What is being gotten across? Is it experiential (even though enlightenment isn't)?

In any case, we can benefit from work that is not enlightenment-based.

You can judge his assertions based on what your mind is feeding you or you can become directly conscious of what his state is through empathic synchronization. This is a human ability you're born with; feeling other people's state. Some people are naturally better at it than others, but you can train it. Nevertheless, if you listen to your mind too often, you'll become a cynic. If you open your heart, you'll (eventually) see things for what they are.

Edited September 26 by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

On 9/25/2024 at 3:41 AM, Javfly33 said:

What the hell does he mean in the part of "if you really tell them what they are supposed to swallow, they will just say this is impossible and run away"

Fucking mysterious dude.

Next time just dump everything on them and see what they say.  It will be too much even for the most brilliant.   It can possibily even scare them away.  

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Someone here said:

If you follow Sadhguru he is going to make you subscribe to belief systems and that's 180 degree the opposite of enlightenment.  Its antithetical. 

Exactly, that is religion, that is a very low level on the scale of what a human can be. sadhguru wants to submit your mind to his mind, that you are a devotee. a submissive lamb that thinks what its master says he has to think. this completely closes any possibility of enlightenment

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

you have to fully buy into his bullshit to receive it. You can't be a cynic. You have to be a follower

Then he will enlighten you with his magic powers. That didn't work when he had an stroke and he worked inflated by analgesic, maybe he was too busy counting if there were 85 universes or maybe 86 and he couldn't realize that he had an stroke.

t's incredible to read those assessments from smart people. 

Edited September 27 by Breakingthewall

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly, that is religion, that is a very low level on the scale of what a human can be. sadhguru wants to submit your mind to his mind, that you are a devotee. a submissive lamb that thinks what its master says he has to think. this completely closes any possibility of enlightenment

Then he will enlighten you with his magic powers. That didn't work when he had an stroke and he worked inflated by analgesic, maybe he was too busy counting if there were 85 universes or maybe 86 and he couldn't realize that he had an stroke.

t's incredible to read those assessments from smart people. 

You always make deep profound posts. However I call you ignorant here.

I understand your limited view on a different culture. But please believe me you are dead wrong about sadghuru. You are triggered by him and don't have an object view. 

Go to Isha foundation, buy their two courses, try shambhavi mahamudra and see for yourself.

Many people got awakenings just from doing this yoga. It works . It's amazing to have this tool and I am as thankful to learn shambhavi mahamudra as having opportunity to consume 5 Meo.

 

Edited September 27 by OBEler

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, OBEler said:

understand your limited view on a different culture. But please believe me you are dead wrong about sadghuru. You are triggered by him and don't have an object view. 

Go to Isha foundation, buy their two courses, try shambhavi mahamudra and see for yourself.

Many people got awakenings just from doing this yoga. It works . It's amazing to have this tool and I am as thankful to learn shambhavi mahamudra as having opportunity to consume 5 Meo.

Many say the same as you, so I'm not going to totally deny that there is truth in that

Over time I have thought that sadhguru was fake, then that he was the real deal and now that he is a total demon. I am open to being completely wrong, but it is difficult to believe the things he says, they are too strange, it seems like a mockery

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then he will enlighten you with his magic powers. That didn't work when he had an stroke and he worked inflated by analgesic, maybe he was too busy counting if there were 85 universes or maybe 86 and he couldn't realize that he had an stroke.

Sometimes you just have different priorities. I'm a bit like Sadhguru in that way:

I hurt my neck at the gym recently, and instead of skipping my program, I kept going, and of course I hurt myself more because of that. Then the next day, neck still hurting, I decided to not skip my sprint session, and that made my neck significantly worse, so much worse I couldn't think straight because of the pain. Then the next day, I decided to not skip leg day, because I've trained my legs before with neck pain and it helped somewhat. This time, it only got worse, but I had also just caught a virus which enhanced the pain. Despite the pain, I decided to not take painkillers for the night, which turned out not so good, because I couldn't fall asleep. Only early in the morning, I decided to take the painkillers, and here we are.

It's not that I didn't know the possible outcomes of my actions. It's that I prioritized one thing over the other, took the risk, and at some point, it didn't work out anymore, so I had to change my strategy. You also obviously can't be omniscient and predict everything perfectly, and being enlightened doesn't change that. I think Sadhguru chose to run himself into the ground before changing his strategy last moment, because that is just how he is.

Edited September 27 by Carl-Richard

[Inliytened1]

17 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Sometimes you just have different priorities. I'm a bit like Sadhguru in that way:

I hurt my neck at the gym recently, and instead of skipping my program, I kept going, and of course I hurt myself more because of that. Then the next day, neck still hurting, I decided to not skip my sprint session, and that made my neck significantly worse, so much worse I couldn't think straight because of the pain. Then the next day, I decided to not skip leg day, because I've trained my legs before with neck pain and it helped somewhat. This time, it only got worse, but I had also just caught a virus which enhanced the pain. Despite the pain, I decided to not take painkillers for the night, which turned out not so good, because I couldn't fall asleep. Only early in the morning, I decided to take the painkillers, and here we are.

It's not that I didn't know the possible outcomes of my actions. It's that I prioritized one thing over the other, took the risk, and at some point, it didn't work out anymore, so I had to change my strategy. You also obviously can't be omniscient and predict everything perfectly, and being enlightened doesn't change that. I think Sadhguru chose to run himself into the ground before changing his strategy last moment, because that is just how he is.

I think any guru still should put health and fitness first.  I do.  I'm 54 and i work through a lot of pain daily.  It's rough but one has to stay active.   I'm sure others have it a lot worse than me.  I know you're a lot younger but it doesn't make the pain any better.   At least you should recover quicker.

Look guys - I'm sure Sadhguru is the real deal but at the end of the day he is still in a finite, human form and subject to this limitation.   Awakened or no, one has a choice to nurture their body or let it go to hell.  The latter ends in only more suffering than suffering through the aches and pains of strength training and cardio.  So we have to weight the pros and cons.  Of course sometimes we also can be subject to illness or addictions which could take us away from caring for our bodies and this could be the saddest part.  So if you have your health and your mind, consider yourself blessed.  And you don't need to be an enlightened guru - you just need to take a step back and appreciate what you have.

Edited September 27 by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think any guru still should put health and fitness first.  I do.  I'm 54 and i work through a lot of pain daily.  It's rough but one has to stay active.   I'm sure others have it a lot worse than me.  I know you're a lot younger but it doesn't make the pain any better.   At least you should recover quicker.

Chronic pain sufferers have my eternal respect.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Chronic pain sufferers have my eternal respect.

Mine too.

[Carl-Richard]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think any guru still should put health and fitness first.

Then we can always ask the question: where do we exactly draw the line between simply working through a headache and "not prioritizing your health"? That's maybe not so black and white 😛

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Then we can always ask the question: where do we exactly draw the line between simply working through a headache and "not prioritizing your health"? That's maybe not so black and white 😛

I would say make it a priority above all else..above investing - above building wealth - to be at the gym 4-5 days a week.  But to muddy the waters further sometimes our job (survival needs) might not afford us the time to care for our physical (and mental) health.   Is it fair that our health must suffer in exchange for putting food on the table?  Someone like Sadhguru has no excuse to make time for fitness.  But for many it's not so easy.  

[Breakingthewall]

45 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Sometimes you just have different priorities. I'm a bit like Sadhguru in that way:

I hurt my neck at the gym recently, and instead of skipping my program, I kept going, and of course I hurt myself more because of that. Then the next day, neck still hurting, I decided to not skip my sprint session, and that made my neck significantly worse, so much worse I couldn't think straight because of the pain. Then the next day, I decided to not skip leg day, because I've trained my legs before with neck pain and it helped somewhat. This time, it only got worse, but I had also just caught a virus which enhanced the pain. Despite the pain, I decided to not take painkillers for the night, which turned out not so good, because I couldn't fall asleep. Only early in the morning, I decided to take the painkillers, and here we are.

It's not that I didn't know the possible outcomes of my actions. It's that I prioritized one thing over the other, took the risk, and at some point, it didn't work out anymore, so I had to change my strategy. You also obviously can't be omniscient and predict everything perfectly, and being enlightened doesn't change that. I think Sadhguru chose to run himself into the ground before changing his strategy last moment, because that is just how he is.

Of course, all of us are humans, but if later you tell me that there are 84 universes, but only 6 are alive, then I would think that you are mocking me. 

[Carl-Richard]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I would say make it a priority above all else..above investing - above building wealth - to be at the gym 4-5 days a week.

But you always have to judge where that point is. There have been times where I could work through the neck pain and it didn't get this bad. If I just have a minor headache, I won't lay down on the sofa all day.

Edited September 27 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Of course, all of us are humans, but if later you tell me that there are 84 universes, but only 6 are alive, then I would think that you are mocking me. 

I don't see how you get freaked out by that but when Leo says he can shapeshift into a literal lizard alien you're probably letting that shit fly.