Very mysterious phrase of sadhguru

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

For me the false is I am a separate sovereign suffering individual and so are you

Well, it depends of the perspective. This is real from a concrete perspective. If you hit me with a hammer I feel pain and you don't, and I really prefer that you hit yourself with the hammer than you hit me. We can't scape from that. 

22 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

The truth is we are the same oneness and the reality of this can be upheld and actualised by my seeing you correctly as you truly are

This could be real too from another perspective. But what do you get with that? I think that if you want to really open yourself you have to totally forget the others, as separate and as oneness. Others are out of the equation, if you want to see from the absolute perspective, there are no others, you are the reality. Others and absolute can't be together, are antagonists. It's not like the others aren't real, it's totally forget the others for a while, even as a concept. 

[Someone here]

[Javfly33]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You should have done one about the 84 creations 🤣🤣🤣 breakinthewall would have loved it

[Someone here]

21 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You should have done one about the 84 creations 🤣🤣🤣 breakinthewall would have loved it

@Javfly33 I didn't make it myself.  I found it online. 

I'm just now seeing the thread so I don't get yet what's the fuzz is about. 

Like you said before "this forum sometimes kills me ".

Edited September 26 by Someone here

[Javfly33]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Javfly33 I didn't make it myself.  I found it online. 

I'm just now seeing the thread so I don't get yet what's the fuzz is about. 

Like you said before "this forum sometimes kills me ".

he thinks that that level of knowing the reality is mental and it pushes you further from the Absolute Reality/Freedom.

In a sense he might be right but at the other hand, I keep myself open minded that you can have a very profound knowing such as that one. 

Of course is relative meaning, thats true

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

he thinks that that level of knowing the reality is mental and it pushes you further from the Absolute Reality/Freedom.

Well what I think is that sadhguru invented that and he's laughing with evil laugh while he pets a cat

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

he thinks that that level of knowing the reality is mental and it pushes you further from the Absolute Reality/Freedom.

In a sense he might be right but at the other hand, I keep myself open minded that you can have a very profound knowing such as that one. 

Of course is relative meaning, thats true

I actually agree with @Breakingthewall.  I never was able to swallow the nonsense hippy spirituality of Sadhguru. 

If you want to seriously awaken..or to attain freedom you must negate your mind . Sadhguru teaches stuff that adds mental backage to your mind .it's basically relative knowledge. I'm not saying it's valid or invalid .I'm saying it's accumulation of relative knowledge. 

To attain nirvana or liberation you must destroy your mind not add to it .

Because of that you should listen to people like Robert Adams or Jim Newman. 

Edited September 26 by Someone here

[Salvijus]

On 2024-09-25 at 9:41 AM, Javfly33 said:

The Guru is constantly taking his disciples and devotees for a ride, because if you really tell them what they are supposed to go through, they will just say this is impossible and run away.

Just replace the word with "go through" 

[Javfly33]

16 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Just replace the word with "go through" 

@Salvijus absolutely 💪

32 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well what I think is that sadhguru invented that and he's laughing with evil laugh while he pets a cat

 

that would be a very high level of devilry, just inventing and lying. I find difficult to accept that. 

You have to take into consideration that that level of lying and devilry is not congruent with his activist work.

From schools for children, to health care free around india, endless environmental work...

That level of straight up lying Is not congruent at all with that work.

31 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I actually agree with @Breakingthewall.  I never was able to swallow the nonsense hippy spirituality of Sadhguru. 

If you want to seriously awaken..or to attain freedom you must negate your mind . Sadhguru teaches stuff that adds mental backage to your mind .it's basically relative knowledge. I'm not saying it's valid or invalid .I'm saying it's accumulation of relative knowledge. 

To attain nirvana or liberation you must destroy your mind not add to it .

Because of that you should listen to people like Robert Adams or Jim Newman. 

I guess. At one point the mind stuff is a blockage.

But the creation has rules...if sitting in a certain way makes your body more attuned to "Nirvana", is important to teach that.

You guys will say whatever you want, but there are rules in the dream.

The rules are inevitable... You have 300% more possibility of an enlightment experience if you are meditating in your house than if you are partying in a nightclub snorting coke and drinking alcohol. 

Edited September 26 by Javfly33

[Salvijus]

On 2024-09-25 at 10:31 AM, Leo Gura said:

How many people run away when they hear solipsism

Even a toddler could swallow that. 

[Breakingthewall]

52 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

that would be a very high level of devilry, just inventing and lying. I find difficult to accept that

The human thirst for power has no limits, the same as narcissism and lying. I'm not saying that's 100% the case, but I'm not ruling it out at all. He says very strange assessments, and show a strange behavior. If I should do a business with him, I would be on panic, all the alarms would screaming, and if when we sign the contract he makes a joke and lets out that giggle afterwards, then I'd think the scam was absolutely sure

[Javfly33]

30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The human thirst for power has no limits, the same as narcissism and lying. I'm not saying that's 100% the case, but I'm not ruling it out at all. He says very strange assessments, and show a strange behavior. If I should do a business with him, I would be on panic, all the alarms would screaming, and if when we sign the contract he makes a joke and lets out that giggle afterwards, then I'd think the scam was absolutely sure

What if surrendering to the most perceived devil is the ticket to pass through the last Gate? 

[gettoefl]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

This could be real too from another perspective. But what do you get with that? I think that if you want to really open yourself you have to totally forget the others, as separate and as oneness. Others are out of the equation, if you want to see from the absolute perspective, there are no others, you are the reality. Others and absolute can't be together, are antagonists. It's not like the others aren't real, it's totally forget the others for a while, even as a concept. 

It's impossible in my view to awaken alone. I have to deal with this world I have projected. I projected it because I hate it. I love myself and I am doing my best to keep the world at arm's length. Imagining it is not me. This is all dumb. I need to see god in what I created. Not hate. That's how I realize what I am and now this world is transcended.

[Javfly33]

6 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

It's impossible in my view to awaken alone. I have to deal with this world I have projected. I projected it because I hate it. I love myself and I am doing my best to keep the world at arm's length. Imagining it is not me. This is all dumb. I need to see god in what I created. Not hate. That's how I realize what I am and now this world is transcended.

Yeap. One that dares to look in the face to the Hate... That´s a Warrior of the Light that will receive the ultimate Reward

[Breakingthewall]

51 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

What if surrendering to the most perceived devil is the ticket to pass through the last Gate? 

His wife died under mysterious circumstances at the age of 31. He cremated the body the next day without allowing an autopsy. His wife's father accused him of murder, but he alleged that his wife did mashamadi. 31 years old and a 6-year-old daughter. Maybe he could help us to pass through that gate that you mentioned 😅

6 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

It's impossible in my view to awaken alone. I have to deal with this world I have projected. I projected it because I hate it. I love myself and I am doing my best to keep the world at arm's length. Imagining it is not me. This is all dumb. I need to see god in what I created. Not hate. That's how I realize what I am and now this world is transcended.

It's much simpler imo, existence exist, and that's all. Forget the shape of the world and see it's existence. You haven't projected anything, there is not any god behind the scenes, it's absolutely obvious, it's just existence. It's the same one thing that another, there are levels of density, more dense, more opaqueness. Less density, more transparency to perceive yourself as the unlimited. The unlimited is always here, veiled by the form. There is nothing else, it's absolutely simple. The unlimited is what you are, the shape veils that realization. The unlimited is the existence, and the character of the existence is absence of limits, absolutely pure, clean like the heaven without clouds, because any form vanishes in it's amplitude. 

[Lyubov]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't think there is falsehood, there is closure.  The point is understanding how your psyche closes and why, and be able to open yourself. No ideas are needed, it's a mechanical process. Any meaning is the meaning that we make in a given moment, there is not real meaning. imo to be able to open yourself you have to abandon any meaning and see everything as a mechanical construction. 

I personally like George’s use of falsehood. My dad was not always a very nice guy either. Classic closed off 50s boomer. He was very unsupportive closed off. I wouldn’t call the mistreatment and lack of support falsehood. I think the beliefs we form from it are though. We believe we are not whole, are not divine, the core of it is basically “I’m not good enough, there’s something wrong with me, I’m not whole” so in a way the suffering we are experiencing is based on a lie. Not that we weren’t mistreated but the world view we formed around it. I don’t think anyone denies that it’s possible to mistreat another person. I think the false hood though is what we then claim that miss treatment means. It’s impossible to be a victim. 

[gettoefl]

50 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

His wife died under mysterious circumstances at the age of 31. He cremated the body the next day without allowing an autopsy. His wife's father accused him of murder, but he alleged that his wife did mashamadi. 31 years old and a 6-year-old daughter. Maybe he could help us to pass through that gate that you mentioned 😅

It's much simpler imo, existence exist, and that's all. Forget the shape of the world and see it's existence. You haven't projected anything, there is not any god behind the scenes, it's absolutely obvious, it's just existence. It's the same one thing that another, there are levels of density, more dense, more opaqueness. Less density, more transparency to perceive yourself as the unlimited. The unlimited is always here, veiled by the form. There is nothing else, it's absolutely simple. The unlimited is what you are, the shape veils that realization. The unlimited is the existence, and the character of the existence is absence of limits, absolutely pure, clean like the heaven without clouds, because any form vanishes in it's amplitude. 

Drifting in space, I could not awaken. I need the forms to discover what I really am. I dumped them outside me and covered them with fear to make an interesting story. It's a silly mad detour from what is much better: creating unimpeded for eternity. This is a shit-show by comparison. I can undo all this. Fear is just saying I am a frantic mess because I am a poor limited soul so I better do stuff quickly before I expire. And you are stopping me from doing it. You are not stopping me from anything. You are the only god available to me and I have to see you and treat you thusly. That is the only ticket home. To dissolve this madness forever.

Edited September 26 by gettoefl

[Javfly33]

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

His wife died under mysterious circumstances at the age of 31. He cremated the body the next day without allowing an autopsy. His wife's father accused him of murder, but he alleged that his wife did mashamadi. 31 years old and a 6-year-old daughter. Maybe he could help us to pass through that gate that you mentioned 😅

 

Of course! Because the father could not fathom how Reality could be so good, Divine and imaginary that Mahasamadhi is real.

So he convinced itself that It was a murder, what other thing could It be? Even Though they were plenty witness about his wife mahasamadhi, some of them Still are Alive and Live... I Guess they are all liars...

 

See... The ones that dont have faith project that to the outside...

 

Reminds me of a recent Spanish Millionarie that has 9 supercars and poor people lack so much faith that they are convinced they are all rented Cars, not bought...

 

Edited September 26 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

We believe we are not whole, are not divine

I think that anything that you perceive as bad, unfair, not perfect, can be the key. The point is breaking the shell of the form and perceive yourself as formless. It's difficult because we totally perceive ourselves as a form and we create a mental flow that define that form without pause. If we achieve to break that shell often we start perceiving ourselves as unlimited existence, and the form is happening in us. It's not like the form is nothing, it's that it's less relevant that the essence. If you place yourself in the essence the shell of mental flow stops, then you stop creating imperfection, because any imperfection is only an opinion.  If you perceive yourself as the unlimited existence you perceive clearly that it's absolutely perfect , then the possible imperfection of the form is irrelevant or less relevant. You also perceive yourself as timeless, then everything is relative, meaningless 

55 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

That is the only ticket home. To dissolve this madness forever.

Yes, the madness of the mental flow. It's like fog that prevents you to see yourself 

Edited September 26 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

@gettoefl this clip comes to mind... https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSOHURNrlFxADFq4qIFmyurxbXl6zr0CW?si=vvJSlPXHkx5et8Tx