Very mysterious phrase of sadhguru

[UnbornTao]

I wouldn't readily assume that what Sadhguru went through was enlightenment or something of that nature.

Edited September 26 by UnbornTao

[Lyubov]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

When I create my sect I will only accept mature devotees capable of facing absolute truths, such as that there are 84 universes or that people who die in accidents go to hell.

The reason these gurus say all this shit is because they lack integrity and it’s the reason why half the mystical shit they say contradicts each other. Its half baked shit that’s pure distraction from sitting in the unknown. It’s crazy how so many seekers have chosen to perceive sahdguru as “more awake.” If the guy was posting here people would be mocking him for smocking too much dmt. He is a good guy and I have no bone to pick with him but I definitely don’t look up to or idolize him or think he “knows more than me.” He’s done a good job creating his business though and apparently he does some farming that feeds people in his place in India, so that’s nice. 

Edited September 25 by Lyubov

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

To start with, I wouldn't readily assume that what Sadhguru went through is enlightenment or some sort of direct consciousness. 

Try this out as a meditative exercise:

Find a YouTube video where he speaks in a spiritual setting (e.g. this one). Observe him closely for the entire video. Do not listen to the words — observe him. Observe how he moves, observe how he talks, observe his gaze. Do this while sitting in an upright and relaxed posture while breathing deeply and slowly (before you begin, take a few deep breaths).

At some point, try to imagine how he experiences the present moment as he speaks. Do this while closely observing him. Then, after a while, open up another video of a random person speaking and compare what you see with what you just saw (or repeat the same procedure for them).

Edited September 26 by Carl-Richard

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Try this out as a meditative exercise:

Find a YouTube video where he speaks in a spiritual setting (e.g. this one). Observe him closely for the entire video. Do not listen to the words — observe him. Observe how he moves, observe how he talks, observe his gaze. Do this while sitting in an upright and relaxed posture while breathing deeply and slowly (before you begin, take a few deep breaths).

At some point, try to imagine how he experiences the present moment as he speaks. Do this while closely observing him. Then, after a while, open up another video of a random person speaking and compare what you see with what you just saw (or repeat the same procedure for them).

Yeap, thats what mostly made me intuit he was legit...

I watched a video of him on LSD and it was like i was perceiving he was already in that state, it was like moving aligned with the breathing

(actually another similar to that one with that Wall behind him, I don´t know why but all videos in that setting are pretty profound and in 'another level)

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Try this out as a meditative exercise:

Find a YouTube video where he speaks in a spiritual setting (e.g. this one).

@Breakingthewall This quotes in the video:

Those who are devotees generally look like nutcases, to others who thought they are smart, but you need to understand a devotee is one that spends maximum amount of time and his life in Blissful states, he is the one that is truly exercising this choice (freedom).

This is a choice, this is a very intelligent choice that one has to make "Do you want to have everything, or do you want to become everything".

[OBEler]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then, he will handle the forces that are outside, of millions of devotes? He's like Jesus then, who liberated all the humankind, even they didn't seem very liberated. He is scaring us with those external forces, telling that we depend of him, if not we will go to hell, like the Christianity said. He is a demon 😅. More toxic is impossible 

I can see that you have no idea about sadghuru.

You are just ranting about guru culture with your Western mind . It's  superficial and polemic to read  

Please take my advice and try his stuff out and then judge about him again. Right now you just have no idea 

 

[Lyubov]

9 hours ago, gettoefl said:

 

Without this connection, the journey can become circular, trapping us in the limitations we aim to transcend. Cooperation with this higher self, when understood not as loss of autonomy but as release from self-imposed limitations, becomes essential for experiencing a fuller, more expansive understanding of ourselves on the path to awakening. Hand over the reins to your higher self to put the lower self to bed once and for all,

This is spot on. The lower self sees it as losing control but that’s not it at all. It’s just another label by the lower self to stay in the familiar, integration of this is seeing this expansion is true control, inherently designed into the unfolding unknown, which to me true control is total acceptance, which then leads to freedom. 

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Those who are devotees generally look like nutcases, to others who thought they are smart, but you need to understand a devotee is one that spends maximum amount of time and his life in Blissful states, he is the one that is truly exercising this choice (freedom).

Blissful states sounds like heroin states. Like anesthesia. Come with me and you won't suffer again , you just have to give me your will. Why he's not a devote? He's another level of human right? A leader, a guru, and we are in de devote level. He will take care of us with his super powers dealing with those spiritual entities that prevents that we are happy, then we, as his children, could be on bliss. Well.....I think he's a snake, what to do? Anyone is free of choosing what he decides that's better 

 

3 hours ago, OBEler said:

Please take my advice and try his stuff out and then judge about him again. Right now you just have no idea 

 

What is his stuff exactly?

[Javfly33]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 A leader, a guru, and we are in de devote level. He will take care of us with his super powers dealing with those spiritual entities that prevents that we are happy, then we, as his children, could be on bliss. Well.....I think he's a snake, what to do? Anyone is free of choosing what he decides that's better

Yeah, i definetely not fully trust him but i cant neither conclude he is fake though. Still doubting. 

[gettoefl]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me it was impossible. I hated my father, not a joke, I really hated him. Seems to me that life had a strong point of hate. Obviously, I wanted to be free of that shit, but was absolutely impossible, it was in my mind, like a cancer. One night I thought absolutely true: i would like dissapear and never have existed. Then the reality dissapeared, just an instant, but wasnt self anymore.  Then I started to break my psyche with psychedelics like a hammer, again and again, in a quite crazy process, then one day I realized that I saw myself, that my heart was open, and my mind too, and I never thought again about my father with emotional charge even for 1 second 

It's easier to look back and see one's strife with searing clarity than to look upon these walls closing inwards in the heat of the battle

Everyone loves to romanticize their struggles yet shies away from dealing with the elephant looming in the room

The task is a moment to moment one of choosing to uphold truth and withdraw from falsehood and all else is failure

[Breakingthewall]

38 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

The task is a moment to moment one of choosing to uphold truth and withdraw from falsehood and all else is failure

I don't think there is falsehood, there is closure.  The point is understanding how your psyche closes and why, and be able to open yourself. No ideas are needed, it's a mechanical process. Any meaning is the meaning that we make in a given moment, there is not real meaning. imo to be able to open yourself you have to abandon any meaning and see everything as a mechanical construction. 

Edited September 26 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Yeah, i definetely not fully trust him but i cant neither conclude he is fake though. Still doubting. 

I see some pointers that make me think that he's a person who wants power. But you never know 100%

[Javfly33]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't think there is falsehood, there is closure.  The point is understanding how your psyche closes and why, and be able to open yourself. No ideas are needed, it's a mechanical process. Any meaning is the meaning that we make in a given moment, there is not real meaning. imo to be able to open yourself you have to abandon any meaning and see everything as a mechanical construction. 

thats interesting, If you observe what all addicitons and vices have in common?

That while you do them/engange on them, the thinking mind stops, the mind stops constructing.

Even though there are differences, whether is in the casino, sex, drugs, even psychedelics, all have in common, they provide a relief from the constant construction of the mind...

The mind has constructed what is this present moment, it has made a conclusion about what is this experience of Life. 

The conclusion feels constricted, is limited. No one can stand it.

Because since the Reality is looking for the absolute freedom, the absolute love... and the mind has concluded this present moment is not that... then what to do? The drive now is to seek it in the outside.

This means engaging in activities that make that construction go away, even if is temporary.

The mind must be humble, accept that it built a conclusion, it built a construction of meaning about what this experience is.

[Breakingthewall]

Isha seems an empire more than a business 

Anyway, he's free to make business and be a politician, the problem for me is that seems that he lies, he's making up a character. But who knows, maybe he's genuine. It's very difficult to know 100%, but everything points to the seek of power 

Edited September 26 by Breakingthewall

[OBEler]

@Breakingthewall shambhavi mahamudra 

Buy his course, Try this out

[Breakingthewall]

47 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

thats interesting, If you observe what all addicitons and vices have in common?

That while you do them/engange on them, the thinking mind stops, the mind stops constructing.

Even though there are differences, whether is in the casino, sex, drugs, even psychedelics, all have in common, they provide a relief from the constant construction of the mind...

The mind has constructed what is this present moment, it has made a conclusion about what is this experience of Life. 

The conclusion feels constricted, is limited. No one can stand it.

Because since the Reality is looking for the absolute freedom, the absolute love... and the mind has concluded this present moment is not that... then what to do? The drive now is to seek it in the outside.

This means engaging in activities that make that construction go away, even if is temporary.

The mind must be humble, accept that it built a conclusion, it built a construction of meaning about what this experience is.

Yes but what is the origin, the cause, of the mental construction? I think it is clear that the construction is based on the genetic need for survival. The only way to address this and clarify it is to deeply understand your mechanisms. No yoga technique or guru can do this for you, you have to do it alone. no one can help you, any outside help is interference, evasion 

[Javfly33]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but what is the origin, the cause, of the mental construction? I think it is clear that the construction is based on the genetic need for survival. The only way to address this and clarify it is to deeply understand your mechanisms. No yoga technique or guru can do this for you, you have to do it alone. no one can help you, any outside help is interference, evasion 

I think the construction is simply arrogance, for survival to happen first you have to construct the belief that there is a world or body that needs to survive 

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I think the construction is simply arrogance, for survival to happen first you have to construct the belief that there is a world or body that needs to survive 

It's real that there is a body that needs to survive, even you were a sardine you would have that need without any mental construction, it is genetical, without that any living being would survive. Being humans the survival depends of the group, acceptance and rejection, and over this we build the personality, with all it's branches. The point is go directly to the root, face the fear directly again and again, then you don't need to disable all the constructions, they still exist but without energy, empty. They take strength from the fear, without fear they are empty . Then it's possible to open yourself totally, at least for some moments. I don't claim that I can do that at will, just in some moments, but I think that once you see how it works a process starts and doesn't stop

Edited September 26 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't think there is falsehood, there is closure.  The point is understanding how your psyche closes and why, and be able to open yourself. No ideas are needed, it's a mechanical process. Any meaning is the meaning that we make in a given moment, there is not real meaning. imo to be able to open yourself you have to abandon any meaning and see everything as a mechanical construction. 

For me the false is I am a separate sovereign suffering individual and so are you

The truth is we are the same oneness and the reality of this can be upheld and actualised by my seeing you correctly as you truly are

By seeing you right, I see me right and withdraw projection of this world, dissolve the whole illusion and return to our true nature

I made this world to escape a non-existent problem and seeing this I can correct it easily and return to my state of wholeness and happiness

Edited September 26 by gettoefl

[Javfly33]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's real that there is a body that needs to survive, even you were a sardine you would have that need without any mental construction, it is genetical, without that any living being would survive. Being humans the survival depends of the group, acceptance and rejection, and over this we build the personality, with all it's branches. The point is go directly to the root, face the fear directly again and again, then you don't need to disable all the constructions, they still exist but without energy, empty. They take strength from the fear, without fear they are empty . Then it's possible to open yourself totally, at least for some moments. I don't claim that I can do that at will, just in some moments, but I think that once you see how it works a process starts and doesn't stop

The belief is on the reality, not the genes.

The reality is pure Intelligence, It creates a Mind.

This Mind, the Mind of the reality, can belief things, such as that the physical world is real or that there are separate beings or things.