Pro-Palestine Bias?

[Godhead]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Less inflammatory language please.

Fair. But if I can't call his argument stupid, I don't think he should be allowed to use islamophobic dogwhistles.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Godhead said:

I don't think he should be allowed to use islamophobic dogwhistles.

You are welcome to point those out without personal attack.

[Godhead]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are welcome to point those out without personal attack.

I was referring to his argument not to him as a person.

Edited September 25 by Godhead

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Godhead said:

What Israel is doing and what it has been doing is not good for it's survival nor peace.

If we talk in this resolution then I didn't say I agree with the way this government manages the things. I am actually very anti this goverment's ideology. I think the hostages are the most urgent thing. About the war with Hezbollah this is a complicated issue with no clear cut answers.

Edited September 25 by Nivsch

[El Zapato]

5 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Yes, Israeli TV is VERY moderate and nuanced in relation to the Right wing. 

To the point that the Right Wing really has only one channel (14) that represents him and even that with much less rating.

The Right Wing always blames the mainstream media (11 and especially 12 and 13 channels) in their goal to collapse Netanyahu, for years, and this isn't a baseless accusation. The most mainstream channels here are highly Anti-Netanyahu.

That's a good thing, correct?  Incidentally, two people that I admire... Gabor Maté and Jon Stewart.   

[lina]

Nobody is denying the existence of Islamisim or Islamic extremism, but trying paint the Palestinian behavior entirely in this light, is not only irrelevant but is also nothing but a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire conflict. 

The early resistance was secular and they were also painted as terrorists. 

After almost 80 years, maybe it's time to take a step back and actually question why these people have been resorting to all different types of resistance, instead of dehumanizing them ? 

Or, maybe after the death of almost 50,000 or god knows how many, it's time to stop giving excuses/rationalization to the ones who have the power to change the situation - no matter how right or wrong they are? 

[Revolutionary Think]

I'm not wasting my breathe or rather fingers on this convo anymore. It's always a sisyphean waste of time. I just expect someone like @Leo Gura not to just look at things from one point of view but, rather multiple points of view. As for me the less I argue about Politics and the middle east the happier I am. I've come to realize when people have deep rooted biases they never ever want to change their mind or steelman an argument they are stuck in the mire of their own point of view because of childhood, personal reasons etc.

[royce]

God Bless The Resistance x) 

 

 

Edited September 25 by royce

[allseeker205]

1 hour ago, Revolutionary Think said:

I'm not wasting my breathe or rather fingers on this convo anymore. It's always a sisyphean waste of time. I just expect someone like @Leo Gura not to just look at things from one point of view but, rather multiple points of view. As for me the less I argue about Politics and the middle east the happier I am. I've come to realize when people have deep rooted biases they never ever want to change their mind or steelman an argument they are stuck in the mire of their own point of view because of childhood, personal reasons etc.

I don't think you realize it but you're projecting your own biases onto @Leo Gura. Your bias towards Israel is actually keeping you from seeing multiple points of view. Leo has clearly stated in the past that Hamas is a terrorist group and this is what happens when you commit terrorism.

Edited September 25 by allseeker205

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Revolutionary Think said:

I just expect someone like @Leo Gura not to just look at things from one point of view but, rather multiple points of view.

Why do you say that when I am happy to explore all points of view on this issue?

I spend a lot of time studying Islamists and terrorism.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Godhead]

3 hours ago, Revolutionary Think said:

As for me the less I argue about Politics and the middle east the happier I am.

Then go ahead and frolic in the fields my guy - nobody’s forcing you to start threads like this. But instead of just throwing around accusations of naive bias, maybe take a minute to actually provide some real critique. The perspective you offered just wasn't very appealing or thought out. People have been offering you different perspectives, and they’ve given solid, well-thought-out reasons why their bias exists. If you’re not ready to engage with those ideas, then fine, but don’t act like dismissing them without a real argument somehow makes you look meta. Step up with something substantive or don’t accuse others of ignorance.

[Alex M]

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Why do you say that when I am happy to explore all points of view on this issue?

I spend a lot of time studying Islamists and terrorism.

You can't post a video without people losing their shit 😂

[Leo Gura]

I will post some Islamist docs to balance things out, once I find some good ones.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I will post some Islamist docs to balance things out, once I find some good ones.

How about this one on Hamas’s formation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pjo3bJPrd8

Or this one interviewing Hamas members:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dy-GtUqV2Q

 

[Nivsch]

9 hours ago, Godhead said:

Fair. But if I can't call his argument stupid, I don't think he should be allowed to use islamophobic dogwhistles.

Sorry if you got hurted in some way, this isn't what I meant.

This isn't about Muslim people, as we have 1.8 millions of such in Israeli cities and basically in any place here.

The problem is not that, but the countries surrounding Israel that were all commited a war against the new country, what took decades to make peace with some of those.

The fact those are Muslim countries is mentioned because of the ideological tension that by nature is created when a nation with a different religion is being established nearby them.

Edited September 25 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

I will go through the stuff linked in this thread and give it a watch.

[Heaven]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I will post some Islamist docs to balance things out, once I find some good ones.

You won’t find anything good about Islam. It belongs to the past and the world should evolve past it. Brain washing kids and close mindedness never lead to something good.

They will continue to blame everyone but themselves, like a grown man living in their parents basement.

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, Heaven said:

You won’t find anything good about Islam. It belongs to the past and the world should evolve past it. Brain washing kids and close mindedness never lead to something good.

They will continue to blame everyone but themselves, like a grown man living in their parents basement.

Like Judaism is better lol, it came up before Islam anyway.

I do not like orthodox Islam nor religion for that matter but it is so hypocritical for someone living in a Judaist country to criticize and insult other religions.

Edited September 26 by Karmadhi

[zazen]

23 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Can you think about what caused the restrictions to tighten during the years?

What about endless terror attacks trials and actual events that lead IDF to go always deeper and deeper into the West Bank?

This is a Chicken and Egg problem.

So occupation is now called restriction?

Yes, violence from both sides is fuelling a cycle of retaliation that you call the chicken and the egg problem. But it misses the wider point if you zoom out enough to see the occupation of a people by another as the fundamental driver of the violence.

This is more like a wolf sheep problem where the wolf (Israel) is a wolf dressed up in sheep’s clothing to look innocent. Since when did defense mean going towards the aggressor? If someone throws a punch at you, you raise your arms in defense - you don’t move deeper towards the aggressor. Israel just uses this ‘defense’ label to justify taking more control and land.

Edited September 26 by zazen

[Vercingetorix]

@Leo Gura Have you watched October 7th Documentaries? 

Screams Before Silence
https://youtu.be/zAr9oGSXgak 

https://www.supernova-documentary.com/watch-trailer

We will dance again (trailer)
https://youtu.be/aQap5q4aEV8