Pro-Palestine Bias?

[Revolutionary Think]

@Leo Gura seems to have a pro-palestine bias on his blog. It's pretty gross that it's not spoken about how Palestinian children at a young age are taught hatred for Jewish people and not just Israeli's. I know there are extremist settlers in Israel and I am not defending them but, I think it's gross when you condemn and pick on one side and totally ignore what the other side is doing. Show me one instance on Israeli Television where they are glorifying the death, murder and rape etc. of not just Palestinians but, Muslims in general I'd condemn it for sure but, in Palestinian society it's par for the course and they teach it to their children. I find it creepy, disrespectful, and unfair that people are so giddy to jump on the Pro-Palestine bandwagon the minute a conflict happens in that region. It shows a lack of nuance and critical thinking skills and it's distasteful. 

 

[Leo Gura]

I am happy to post documentaries of radical Islamism if you link me some quality ones.

Also, I am not asking you to condemn anything.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

8 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

Show me one instance on Israeli Television where they are glorifying the death, murder and rape etc

Yes, Israeli TV is VERY moderate and nuanced in relation to the Right wing. 

To the point that the Right Wing really has only one channel (14) that represents him and even that with much less rating.

The Right Wing always blames the mainstream media (11 and especially 12 and 13 channels) in their goal to collapse Netanyahu, for years, and this isn't a baseless accusation. The most mainstream channels here are highly Anti-Netanyahu.

Edited September 25 by Nivsch

[Revolutionary Think]

Sure take a look at this BS. It's absolutely vomit inducing. 

 

[Revolutionary Think]

In fact Palestinians can't even get along with themselves let alone getting along with Israelis and the West. 

 

[Leo Gura]

@Revolutionary Think I'm not going to share trashy snippets of stuff on my blog. I share quality documentaries. If there is something you want me to share, it has meet a high standard of quality and offer valuable perspective.

Pro Palestine or anti Palestine doesn't matter to me. I care about quality perspectives that help to open minds.

Edited September 25 by Leo Gura

[Revolutionary Think]

In this instance I agree with you Hamas TV is trash quality stuff through and through. This one seems like a decent documentary but, it has violent scenes in it. It's also 11 months old. 

 

[Raze]

41 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

@Leo Gura seems to have a pro-palestine bias on his blog. It's pretty gross that it's not spoken about how Palestinian children at a young age are taught hatred for Jewish people and not just Israeli's. I know there are extremist settlers in Israel and I am not defending them but, I think it's gross when you condemn and pick on one side and totally ignore what the other side is doing. Show me one instance on Israeli Television where they are glorifying the death, murder and rape etc. of not just Palestinians but, Muslims in general I'd condemn it for sure but, in Palestinian society it's par for the course and they teach it to their children. I find it creepy, disrespectful, and unfair that people are so giddy to jump on the Pro-Palestine bandwagon the minute a conflict happens in that region. It shows a lack of nuance and critical thinking skills and it's distasteful. 

 

This study found that Palestinian education wasn’t that anti semitic 

https://archive.is/8fuQa

[Raze]

36 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

In fact Palestinians can't even get along with themselves let alone getting along with Israelis and the West. 

This was after Hamas won the election and the US and Israel tried to support a coup resulting in a civil war

47 minutes ago, Revolutionary Think said:

Show me one instance on Israeli Television where they are glorifying the death, murder and rape etc.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/
 

https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-news/2024/08/08/israel-journalist-rape-policy/

 

https://archive.is/vGAmW

 

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/we-are-the-masters-of-the-house-israeli-channels-air-snuff-videos-featuring-systematic-torture-of-palestinians/

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111

Edited September 25 by Raze

[Raze]

56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Revolutionary Think I'm not going to share trashy snippets of stuff on my blog. I share quality documentaries. If there is something you want me to share, it has meet a high standard of quality and offer valuable perspective.

How about these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIJ82edWqWg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwuU_MXXdBI

and this one isn’t about Israel or Palestine but was very famous as a study on human depravity: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtCgMP34kgM

and this one on manipulation 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se1A8lxyH4I

 

Edited September 25 by Raze

[Nivsch]

@Raze Yeah far right wing journalists like you added in your links still exist here.

29 minutes ago, Raze said:

This was after Hamas won the election and the US and Israel tried to support a coup resulting in a civil war

As always the west is the responsible

Edited September 25 by Nivsch

[zazen]

@Raze OP specifically mentioned they’re taught to hate Jews as a whole and not just Israeli’s - so they’d rebuttal your links with that.

@Revolutionary Think

It’s not about excusing extremism on either side but understanding the conditions that give birth to it. If black South Africans had developed deep-seated resentment or even racism toward white people during apartheid, would we be asking why they felt that way, or would we be focusing on the structural violence and oppression that made such feelings inevitable? The point isn’t to turn a blind eye to any form of hatred, but to interrogate the conditions that cause it. Extremism doesn’t arise in a vacuum - it’s the predictable outcome of generations of oppression, dehumanization, and violence.

The situation in Israel and Palestine is also asymmetrical which will result in asymmetrical bias if looked at with clarity. Yes, extremism exists on both sides, but the power dynamics are not the same. The Palestinians are an occupied people, living under a military regime that controls every aspect of their lives. To act like it’s just about two sides with equal power hating each other is to ignore the brutal reality of that occupation. It’s like pointing to black South Africans during apartheid and saying, “Well, they’re being taught to hate white people,” while completely overlooking the racist state apparatus crushing them daily.

People call for balanced takes on situations when the reality on the ground isn’t balanced - it’s the slow-motion destruction of a people under occupation, while the world watches and debates “both sides.” It’s about recognizing who’s carrying the heaviest burden in this conflict, and asking what we can do to unburden them - not just in coverage but in terms of the systems that are actively driving extremism on both sides.  Just like in apartheid South Africa, the goal isn’t to justify the hatred, but to dismantle the system of violence that fuels it.

We can graduate from tribalism to diplomatic, balanced, both sideism - but I've seen, including in myself that this can become a easy out and a way to pretend to be nuanced (because we see both sides) when we aren't nuaned enough to conclude what side is more wronged. Seeing both sides is the first step, but then its concluding which side is the more aggrieved in a situation that needs to happen - which takes more work. Just because we don't devolve into tribalistic bashing of one side, doesn't mean we have clarity on asymmetries when they actually exist and can see them.

Edited September 25 by zazen

[Nivsch]

28 minutes ago, zazen said:

Extremism doesn’t arise in a vacuum - it’s the predictable outcome of generations of oppression, dehumanization, and violence.

You apply this also to the opposite direction yes?

28 minutes ago, zazen said:

The Palestinians are an occupied people, living under a military regime that controls every aspect of their lives

Can you think about what caused the restrictions to tighten during the years?

What about endless terror attacks trials and actual events that lead IDF to go always deeper and deeper into the West Bank?

This is a Chicken and Egg problem.

Edited September 25 by Nivsch

[Godhead]

@Nivsch

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

Can you think about what caused the restrictions to tighten during the years?

Their resistance to an occupying force?

"Oh if that jew didn't kill our german diplomat, we wouldn't have to launch the Kristallnacht, your actions caused our anger!!" 

Let's forget that the parents of the jew have been arrested and deported.

"We had no choice but to tighten restrictions in the country we are occupying, they are constantly doing terror attacks and trying to resist :o"

Israels actions directly contribute to terror. They are very aware of that but it gives them an excuse to increase their influence in the region. But of course, after palestinians get occupied and mistreated for decades, when they eventually strike back, people in this Thread can argue: "Oh wow, look how anti-semetic and backwards those palestinians are, they have no democracy and they are brainwashing their children. They simply have violence written in their DNA. There is no cause and effect. We simply have to bomb them :)))"

 

 

Edited September 25 by Godhead

[Nivsch]

@Godhead Again, this is a Gordian knot of fear and responses.

it is harder to understand when you aren't in a constant survival mode as a Ville in a muslim Jungle from the first moment.

Edited September 25 by Nivsch

[Godhead]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

@Godhead Again, this is a Gordian knot of fear and responses.

it is harder to understand when you aren't in a constant survival mode in a muslim Jungle from the first moment.

It's almost like taking over someone's land, militarizing to no end, contantly bullying your neighbors and restricting rights to people due to their ancestry will make you unpopular and put you into survival mode.

Also "muslim Jungle", you sound like a facist my man.

[Godhead]

2 hours ago, Revolutionary Think said:

I find it creepy, disrespectful, and unfair that people are so giddy to jump on the Pro-Palestine bandwagon the minute a conflict happens in that region. It shows a lack of nuance and critical thinking skills and it's distasteful. 

The more powerful force in any conflict bears a heightened responsibility for its actions. While no one is suggesting that the Palestinian people are morally flawless, this is entirely beside the point. When the U.S. invaded Iraq, discussions about Iraqi indoctrination or their treatment of LGBT individuals would have been distractions from the core issue: the overwhelming use of military power and its devastating impact. Similarly, in this conflict, the focus should remain on the actions of the stronger party, as it wields the most influence over the situation and its outcomes.

[Nivsch]

@Godhead OR understanding you can no longer live by the good faith of others, return back to a land your tribe lived in for an equal amount of time like the Palestinian tribe lived in in order to share this land with them, but then being constantly attacked from inside and outside that you left with no choice but to partially restrict in force some of the other tribe when in meantime strive for a 2 state solution as half of your people believe even after decades of terror it is the right one.

Edited September 25 by Nivsch

[Godhead]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

return back to a land your tribe lived in for an equal amount of time like the Palestinian tribe lived

This is a stupid argument and you know it is.

Don't you see what is happening? Isn't it proof enough that the way things have been approached weren't right? Israel now poking in every direction they can, provoking Iran, Lebanon etc. etc.

This isn't about living in a peaceful state. This is about power and it's backfiring. What Israel is doing and what it has been doing is not good for it's survival nor peace.

 

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Godhead said:

This is a stupid argument

Less inflammatory language please.