Leo’s advise about dating and sex are mostly aimed towards man

[Buck Edwards]

Low value men get laid all the time because they make themselves easily accessible. 

Low value men constantly promote themselves to a large chunk of women, so mathematically their opportunity to get laid increases. It's like fast mass advertisement/promotion and it works. 

High value men reserve their value and don't sell themselves that often and carefully choose who they want to sleep with, so their opportunities are scarce. It's fair game to them in proportion to their standards. Higher standards, lower opportunities. Sometimes they have to lower their standards to get more women. Facts. 

Edited October 2 by Buck Edwards

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

That's the trick!

Because in reality women sleep around easily and frequently with players. But the nice guys get the short end of the stick.

That's true. The guy she really respects and likes is the nice guy. The player gets because she knows he won't stick around regardless, but she still wants to have sex. So, she uses him for her pleasure. The nice guy is the real treasure, but he cries because he wants to get used by her too. It's a silly game but that's life for ya'. Silly ole God playing silly games with itself for eternity, 

[Davino]

16 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Women only play these games because they are trying to protect themselves,. Themselves from the games men themselves play. 

Women test men, that's the game. They need to make sure it's a high quality man. That's how they know and they get to do it in a sneaky and implicit way.

Men have their own set of games, that's clear.

 

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

Women test men, that's the game. They need to make sure it's a high quality man. That's how they know and they get to do it in a sneaky and implicit way.

Men have their own set of games, that's clear.

 

Men also ensure that they get a high quality woman, so it's fair play in a way. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Davino said:

Women test men, that's the game. They need to make sure it's a high quality man. That's how they know and they get to do it in a sneaky and implicit way.

Men have their own set of games, that's clear.

 

Why are you guys so insisting that women are so screening for high-value. At a certain point in a female's life yes, but not all stages, she does this. It's not always about high-value. That's just oh so boring if a woman's entire sex life and love life she's screening for high value. She's not always.  

What's funny is guys will give women credit when it's about screening for high-value, but in other ways, we're emotional, feeling oriented, moody, playing games, deceptive, etc. Only when it comes to screening for high-value is when she becomes logical. That's a smart thing to do - screen for high value. Why not, it's in her best interest.

I think what happens is men think women SHOULD go for high-value men themselves and now he thinks that's what she's doing in every little thing she does. It's instinctual, but only after a certain point in her life not when she's just looking to have fun. 

[Davino]

7 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Men also ensure that they get a high quality woman, so it's fair play in a way. 

Men want to fuck. High quality women for a man is a hot chick.

Unless they are in girlfriend/wife search mode.

Even then, it usually grows organically from the first rule but as a necessary condition not as a sufficient condition.

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

High quality women for a man is a hot chick.

High quality women for a (high quality) man can be more than just a hot chick. 

[Davino]

@Princess Arabia What the masculine values is different from what the femenine values.

It is in the DNA of women that their values are more flexible, open and changing; according to her moods, feelings and states. It's a diverse conception of value. Don't think of it in a masculine way, think of value as your innate feminine feeling and intuition. 

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

High quality women for a (high quality) man can be more than just a hot chick. 

Of course!

Just don't forget the base from where everything builds up

You don't have to fit into a certain "standard" to be a hot chick, you just need to get his dick hard. That's all

Sorry if I'm explicit 

Edited October 2 by Davino

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Men also ensure that they get a high quality woman, so it's fair play in a way. 

Noooooo, i think this is the trick. If this was the case, we'd all be happy and singing kumbaya.

This high value talk is being overrated. Women and men sometimes aren't instinctively or thinking high value at all times, attraction is too spontaneous for that. "Non high-value" people are getting laid all the time, then people wake up. Oh he's hot, oh she's hot is getting people laid and then after that wears off, the high-value stuff kicks in and the evaluation kicks in and the logic kicks in and the thinking kicks in.....before that sometimes is just feelings and emotions and people acting out their primal instincts for sex. 

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The guy she really respects and likes is the nice guy. The player gets because she knows he won't stick around

Nonsense.

You are denying the whole game of angling to get the highest value men and the whole screening process that involves. As if that isn't happening. That is the lie.

You can play whatever games you like for whatever rationales, but don't then carry that deception into the domain of understanding reality.

Anyways, I'm tired of this topic. It leads nowhere good.

Edited October 2 by Leo Gura

[Davino]

@Princess Arabia No, your values are changing and evolving, hence you act accordingly. Actually analyze and see

What you value in a one night stand is different than what you value in a husband than maybe what you want in a particular day. Values are super fluid in women. Maybe the word is tripping us up. How would you call what I'm trying to point out?

Edited October 2 by Davino

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Davino said:

@Princess Arabia No, your values are changing and evolving, hence you act accordingly. Actually analyze and see

This is what I mean. A club hopping 20's ain't necessarily looking for high-value, just a cutie she feels hot for to get laid. Point is, not all the time the same woman is screening for high-value. It depends.

[Davino]

@Princess Arabia high-value is state dependent and stage dependent. How much do you value a glass of water? Meh

You've been three days wandering lost in a boiling hot desert. How much do you value a glass of water?

It's all values in my mind and it's fluid

Edited October 2 by Davino

[Princess Arabia]

We probably need to describe what high-value means, because I think that's where the discrepancy lies sometimes.

Is a player high-value. Is a nice guy, a rich guy, a protector, a provider, a guy with a steady income, a business, has status, or what, what makes a guy high-value. I think it depends on the woman. 

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is what I mean. A club hopping 20's ain't necessarily looking for high-value, just a cutie she feels hot for to get laid. Point is, not all the time the same woman is screening for high-value. It depends.

But women intuitively and inherently screen for value. That's what they do even without realizing. A woman in a club will not sleep with every Tom, Dick, Harry, Jerry. She wants that emotional stimulation. She wants to feel safe with a man. She doesn't want her value snatched from her by a low value man. She wants to be with a man she is genuinely attracted to but this attraction process no matter how organic itself involves her unconscious screening. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Davino said:

@Princess Arabia high-value is state dependent. How much do you value a glass of water? Meh

You've been three days wandering lost in a boiling hot desert. How much do you value a glass of water?

It's all values in my mind and it's fluid

Exactly, as per my latest comment. It's like you're reading my mind.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

But women intuitively and inherently screen for value. That's what they do even without realizing. A woman in a club will not sleep with every Tom, Dick, Harry, Jerry. She wants that emotional stimulation. She wants to feel safe with a man. She doesn't want her value snatched from her by a low value man. She wants to be with a man she is genuinely attracted to but this attraction process no matter how organic itself involves her unconscious screening. 

Ok when you put it like that. But these guys seem to make it look as if she's screening for a provider and a protector and a CEO at every level, stage and situation in her life. 

[Princess Arabia]

I think we're over using the phrase "high-value", or it means different things to different people. 

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Ok when you put it like that. But these guys seem to make it look as if she's screening for a provider and a protector and a CEO at every level, stage and situation in her life. 

Well.. The truth is a bit harsh. 

If you ask ladies on the street what kind of a man they will eventually pick if they can get a chance, they will all pick the hottest, tallest, smartest, richest guy out of the crowd even if they don't have much value to provide themselves. Women date up, men date down. This is a well known fact. Women have their eyes set on the prize if they let their inner feminine be completely free. Women usually settle for a low value man when they can't get their hands on a high value guy and when they are lazy or they have low self esteem so they settle for something less as a matter of subconscious compromise. Yet if given all the feminine joy and freedom in the world, a woman will find herself happier with a richer smarter high character high value man. This is female psychology and female nature. In fact often women regret dating low value men and having wasted their precious time over them. A woman who is highly conscious of her own value wants to screen a guy for value in a man. Theres nothing manipulative about this, she wants to eventually ensure she has the best Dad for her potential children and a great caregiver husband. Women are wired to select a good mate unless she is steeped in unhealthy patterns. I think you got my point.