Leo’s advise about dating and sex are mostly aimed towards man

[Nemra]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Masculinity is not right for everyone, but I think we have a masculinity crisis. Especially mature masculinity -- it hardly exists in the culture. We have either leftist androgyny or toxic masculinity, both of which are not good for society as a whole.

You mean in the American culture?

It's hard for me to understand, to be honest.

In my culture masculinity (patriotic and who follows tradition) is very desirable for men to be, healthy or toxic, although the toxic one is a given. A lot of them often demonize femininity, but like it when they see a woman.

If you're a man but not behave in what they think masculinity is, you are feminine. If you are of a different gender, then you are feminine, and feminine isn't right for a man, then you are a degenerate. Women are feminine and men are masculine, and if not, they have to be.

Most of them don't self-reflect, or if they do, they do it in a shallow way.

I see the importance of embodying masculinity or femininity, regardless of what you like to embody. But it also has to be acknowledged that a person (man or woman) already has a preference towards being masculine or feminine to not delude themselves for fully embodying a thing that they don't actually desire.

Edited September 28 by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Nemra said:

You mean in the American culture?

Western culture. I don't know how it is outside the West.

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have an ex-girlfriend right now who keeps inviting me to fly over and have sex with her. And I say NO, because it isn't truthful. Any normal guy would be flying over there. Instead I'm here alone studying the psychology of Islamist terrorists.

Lmao🤣

You're my idol and inspiration. This shit is too good to be true and yet it is.

Is this how higher living looks like?

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[Davino]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There's a lot more to being a wolf than aggression. It's not about aggression, it's about imposing oneself on the world, taking the lead.

I agree. Probably the most masculine moment I've felt in my life was the first time I successfully choked another man in jiu-jitsu. The feeling of imposing your will like that and they can't do anything about it is masculine as fuck. By the way, we are great friends it's just the nature of the game, he wanted to choke me too or at least break me an arm.

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Masculinity is not right for everyone, but I think we have a masculinity crisis. Especially mature masculinity -- it hardly exists in the culture. We have either leftist androgyny or toxic masculinity, both of which are not good for society as a whole.

My hope is that martial arts may play a role in helping man reconnect with their masculine essence in a healthy way.

I really think it's the best tool out there for young men. I can't express how much it has changed me. In fact I started martial arts because it was the last sport I would do (I'm peaceful af). Then I happened to love it, because it gave me that nice contrast in my life, as well as self-confidence and inner power.

[Davino]

On the other hand, something that always baffled me in trying to understand the feminine is the great asymmetry between how they think attraction & relationship works VS their actual behaviour in attraction and in a relationship.

This used to drive me nuts, as I had lengthy insightful conversations with my women friends and then their actual behaviour (who they are kissing in the club or who they are falling in love with) was notoriously different.

Not until I did some heavy reading and research did I start to understand what was going on and then everything was recontextualized. So a tip for you guys, women usually don't know the sneaky psychology behind their sexuality, desires and romantic decisions. So study and read the books (Leo has life transforming books on the subject, really appreciative of his booklist) and then actually confront the beast in action, observe how women behave, what they like and not; in few words contrast solid theory with ruthless experimentation.

In my case, understanding women has always been a top priority. This is how I framed it in my mind: "If I fail to understand women, I'll misunderstand half the people I meet in my life"

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[Nemra]

55 minutes ago, Davino said:

Lmao🤣

You're my idol and inspiration. This shit is too good to be true and yet it is.

He is extreme in a balanced way. Lol.

51 minutes ago, Davino said:

Probably the most masculine moment I've felt in my life was the first time I successfully choked another man in jiu-jitsu. The feeling of imposing your will like that and they can't do anything about it is masculine as fuck.

Imposing my will on others had never fully made sense to me as something I wanted to do, but I find it very attractive in certain situations. Although I don't shy away from doing it if it becomes necessary.

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[Lyubov]

I do not understand why women say that what a vulnerable man yet it couldn’t be further from the truth in my experience. Nothing about expressing your emotions and putting yourself in the position to not be reciprocated by them is perhaps one of the greatest things to end up getting friend zoned. I’ve never seen that work. I do not know what women are seeing when they say this. I’ve seen only charm, courage, strength and intelligence seduce a woman. Nothing about a man being open about how he feels and getting all soft about taking through his inner child and whatnot does nothing to arouse women and you ain’t getting shit from a woman if she isn’t aroused. 

[Emerald]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Feelings are based on value.

When you see a 50% sale on your fave food, you feel excited. Because you are getting free value. And so it is when you see a high value man.

You just aren't conscious of why you feel what you feel.

Contemplate why you don't feel excited to sleep with a pig and you will quickly understand what I'm saying.

But that valuation is typically unconscious and completely subjective to the woman.

Trust me, especially in my youth, I've been attracted to guys that most people would be like "What the hell are you thinking?" or "What do you see in him?"

In retrospect, a lot of it was because I was attracted to what he represented in my mind and what kind of experiences that I could have. I really wanted a certain brand of chaos in my life back then, and I would be attracted to guys who brought that particular brand of chaos.

Like I really liked working class grungy guys with long hair that smoked weed. And there was a lot of romanticization of a certain kind of lifestyle that he represented.

And there's also usually a lot more complexity and psychology to it... like a woman (or man) will unconsciously pick up on familial patterns from childhood that this man could bring her back through. And she'll get inexplicably attracted to him.

That's why the idea that "women always go for the top 20% of guys" is false. It's nowhere near as logical or straightforward as that, as it's like 30% biology and 70% psychology. 

And there is no objective "top 20% of guys" in the eyes of women... though there are some generally crowd pleasing qualities that lots of women resonate with.

Plus, there are also some semi-conscious tendencies to be attracted to a guy for a weak point he has, if he will strongly value that strong point in her. For example, a woman may go for a guy who's a little bit less physically attractive compared to her, so that he will value her level of physical attractiveness.

But overall, when a woman gets attracted to a man, it's usually because of something greater than the sum of his parts... instead of an objective valuation (conscious or unconscious) of exactly the sum of his parts. 

It's how the whole gestalt of a man makes you feel. And you can have two guys next to each other who are identical in every single facet of life... and a woman can feel everything for one and nothing for the other.

It's hyper-particularized.

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

Why are men so fixated on looks? 

If they're not physically attracted, their ting-a-lings are affected, especially as they get older. It's a mind-body coherence thing. It's like their foreplay. Kind of the same thing why we love it when they treat us the way we love to be treated, however that is. We get excited for the man that makes us feel a certain way, they get excited for the woman that looks a certain way. They both compliment each other and easily doable.

Problem is, some men already have in their minds how every woman likes to be treated or what they like not realizing that women are mostly individually curated and not all one size fits all since we're mostly feeling oriented and emotionally driven. This is why you'll hear them say a lot we're confused or moody or wishy washy. They just don't understand the woman they're dealing with. Of course, certain traits are common amongst us, but the ones that really gets us excited are specific to that particular female. 

[bambi]

You guys are so deluded lol. Most men are not sleeping with young petite supermodel girls, and plenty of guys are still having sex or in long term relationships. 

Also that all women are emotional and men are logical is a total myth thats been disproven again and again in modern development psychology. I have tons of male friends who are  0 logical, and plenty of female friends are hyper logical.

People here are just interested in perputating their anecdotal nonsense then they are on actually understanding the reality 

[RendHeaven]

2 hours ago, AION said:

delicious 20 year old prime fertile girl

I sharply inhaled

diabolical word choice my guy

my reaction proves your point but these girls can never understand

[AION]

 

5 minutes ago, bambi said:

You guys are so deluded lol. Most men are not sleeping with young petite supermodel girls, and plenty of guys are still having sex or in long term relationships. 

Also that all women are emotional and men are logical is a total myth thats been disproven again and again in modern development psychology. I have tons of male friends who are  0 logical, and plenty of female friends are hyper logical.

People here are just interested in perputating their anecdotal nonsense then they are on actually understanding the reality 

I guess you are one of those without logic if you think there are no archetypes in male and female behavior. You should go to all libraries and throw away all sex studies. 
 

In general people’s emotions are important for them. For women emotions are even more important but it doesn’t matter. 
 

The whole enigma of what makes woman sleep with a guy is simple: her emotions. Because her god is her emotions. 
 

Those super logical female friends of yours, they sleep with guys based on their emotions too. You see them make pie charts about who to give a blowjob to?

[bambi]

11 minutes ago, AION said:

 

I guess you are one of those without logic if you think there are no archetypes in male and female behavior. You should go to all libraries and throw away all sex studies. 
 

In general people’s emotions are important for them. For women emotions are even more important but it doesn’t matter. 
 

The whole enigma of what makes woman sleep with a guy is simple: her emotions. Because her god is her emotions. 
 

Those super logical female friends of yours, they sleep with guys based on their emotions too. You see them make pie charts about who to give a blowjob to?

You didnt read or understand anything I wrote. Where did I say there are no patterns  in behaviour?

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, what could I do to understand about the western masculinity crisis?

I have heard people online saying that, but they are always those misogynistic hyper-masculine guys.

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[AION]

@bambi 

what is your point then 

[Ash55]

Leo Mentioned clearly in his video that he is biased as a man and only have expiration dating a woman never dated a man, from So he talks about that. what did you expect lol, the OP is probably female
also most of leo content attract men its just his style

On 9/27/2024 at 4:13 PM, CARDOZZO said:

These days we only talk to AI girls.

They never reject and always appreciate  

LOOOL, real girls are more fun tho
 

[bambi]

8 minutes ago, AION said:

@bambi 

what is your point then 

My posts should be pretty easy to cognise for a logical wizard such as yourself 

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Nemra said:

Imposing my will on others had never fully made sense to me as something I wanted to do, but I find it very attractive in certain situations. Although I don't shy away from doing it if it becomes necessary.

It's weird because that was my understanding prior to martial arts. However, a posteriori I have found that it is a repressed masculine trait. Current western society seems to repress maculine imposition of will as bad, unequal and unfair. When this shadow aspect is brought to light one sees that as a man it's extremely fulfilling to have the capacity to impose your will and that in fact doing so touches a center in you that was long forgotten. Knowing how to express this masculine trait is a thorny aspect that requires wisdom and consciousness, my assumption is that society threw the baby out with the bathwater.

Great leaders imprint their will onto masses and lead them to the future. To have your lunch someone had to impose their will into an animal to take their life out so that you could eat. Stepping into each other is a function of reality and it is a masculine one. To nurture and to take care, to grow and enliven on the contrary is femenine.

[Davino]

2 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

Quote

delicious 20 year old prime fertile girl

I sharply inhaled

diabolical word choice my guy

Once a friend told me that men are attracted to young females because they smell like a new car