My ebook got published on Kindle.

[Thought Art]

@Rishabh R Sounds like some solid principles. Congrats on the release. I think it will help people and the feedback you get from it will help you grow.

Edited September 24 by Thought Art

[Carl-Richard]

On 24.9.2024 at 10:05 AM, Kksd74628 said:

@Rishabh R

The problem with books and info in general is that it hierarchically flows downwards. Judging from the topics it is "same" that what everyone else is teaching. Also "positivism" isn't even the most powerful model. Try harder on the next book to really get insights from your own investigation rather than just echo chambering the status quo.

The thing is if you don't engage in that hierarchy, then you just become a part of the other hierarchy of unread dorks who think they're original and think they've re-invented fire for the millionth time. 

Not long ago, I personally wanted to write a book about the relationship between flow, instrinic motivation, meaning, health, functionality, etc.; something which I felt I had discovered all by myself; but not long after, I realized that this has been talked about for millenia through concepts like eudaimonia, virtue, wisdom, etc. Probably the only favor I would've done to the world would've been to package the same ideas in my own clumsy and idiosyncratic language for people to spend their time scratching their heads over.

If I were to "borrow" a concept from John Vervaeke, what you're talking about is called "rabbit hole epistemology" — burrowing yourself down in your own bullshit, which again at the end of the day becomes the same boring and unoriginal exercise, because so many people do it and end up unintentionally replicating the same uninformed low-resolution view on everything. 

Edited September 25 by Carl-Richard

[Kksd74628]

@Carl-Richard

If what you're saying is true then there's no reason for anyone to make any form of content. However I dissagree. When you speak about your own findings that are based on your unique lifestyle, you'll be giving society something fresh.

Even tho Leo Gura is speaking about spirituality and self-development, that have been spoken for ages, he is actually bringing new findinds for the table and he is being useful. You know what I am talking about instinctively, because the reason you're mod here is because at some point you found Leo fascinating, because he has something no one else has.

This is when you should make content IMO: when you feel like genuinely people don't get you even tho you KNOW that your perspectives could be useful or/and interesting, you should release a banger book for example, but that's not all still. Alex Hormozi wrote his book millions of times again and again and he made it better every try and only after years he published the first one. That's what I call a fucking book, not what the OP did.

I pointed out that to him, exactly with my radicality, because I see no people being honest here, only just shallow comments like "yippee", "good work" and people acting like he did something incredible. Then after that people get triggered, because they haven't been spoken like Man to Man ever. People are too damn soft pussies.

[Michael569]

10 hours ago, Kksd74628 said:

I am saying what I said exactly on the response which is basically "Learn to become unique and share ideas that are fresh and come from you". Probably you've seen a phenomenon in youtube where self-help videos kind of are copies of each others. You thinking of things for yourself is not enough, because your thinking already is programmed by the status quo. When you know structure so well you can spot patterns that I understood just by looking at the summary.

That's fine that you think that, that wasn't the point of my comment to you. If that is indeed so, as you say,  then the OP will learn that by not selling enough books or receiving constructive feedback from the reader. He will then take that feedback and consider incorporating it in his second book if he wishes. 

But you can't hammer over someone's product like that. I mean you can and nobody in the world will stop you, but people will shut you off if you come across like that and you'll be let wondering "why aren't they taking me seriously, I mean well" and I believe you do mean well but it is also how you say things. Its a common curtesy. Giving feedback and receiving feedback is a form of a skill. Most people can't do either properly. 

Most people give lousy feedback (or an aggressive one) and they get offended or run away in the face of constructive criticism. 

10 hours ago, Kksd74628 said:

I am saying here something incredibly deep and I hope you get what I am trying to point at.

I believe you and I can see exactly what you mean, but then if it is so deep, do a proper critique not a surface level bashing.

Tell him exactly where you disagree (maybe you should even get a copy of his book just to present your critique fair and square)  and present the evidence to support your claims.

Otherwise its just "my way or highway" type of critique. If the OP is to learn from your feedback and incorporate it in his future work then it needs to come across professionally, empathetically and respectfully regardless of your personal feelings about it. It is a skill that will be invaluable in professional life. 

10 hours ago, Kksd74628 said:

lso don't get triggered by my radicality. That I say something exactly how I think it in my mind doesn't make it bad or good. Just my way of speaking. Get over it, bruh.

The world won't get over it ,bruh. The world will ignore you and it will cost you potential opportunities, both personally and professionally, if you don't work on adding some softness into the way you deliver your message. 

I'm not triggered, I don't care, but there is a difference between being radical/liberal and being rude. Its my role as a mod to point these things out. I had to learn some of these things myself upon moving to another country and starting to work in a corporate environment. Its not about what you say but how you say it that matters to people more. 

Totally fine if you disagree,  in that case, I'm happy to drop this conversation. 

Edited September 25 by Michael569

[Rishabh R]

People , it's a brief ebook of 32 pages as it is a book of insights and  also I don't have much time  cause my college placements are about to start . I just wanted to give people brief insights regarding the topic.

[Kksd74628]

@Michael569

I am not trying to speak the way people get me right. I am trying to express myself best according to what I mean and if it's taken wrong then it's in the hands of the receiver. This is exactly what is wrong with everything nowadays that people think what others think of what they say. That is not the best way of doing things. I realize and understand the point of view where you and others who criticize me come and I used to do same in the past, but now I'm changing for better. I wasn't being rude. If I use my personal fucking time to point something extremely valuable to someone I am helping them if they're ready to take it. If you play ego games and get defensive or get hurt that's your problem imo.

If you do push ups with completely fucked up form and think that candies give you protein and therefore muscles wouldn't you kind of expect your coach to slap the fuck out of you with MAN's hand. This is no different what I did there on the forum. This is spirituality and self-development forum and people should look for growth and not for people comforting and giving them warm hugs. The people who understand what I am saying exactly and who have felt how society tries to mold you will get what I say here 100%.

If those strong REAL people still exist comment to me and we'll see if there's any hope left for this forum.

[zurew]

2 hours ago, Kksd74628 said:

That's what I call a fucking book, not what the OP did.

To be clear, you have 0 clue what the OP did, since you havent read his work.

2 hours ago, Kksd74628 said:

I pointed out that to him, exactly with my radicality, because I see no people being honest here, only just shallow comments like "yippee", "good work" and people acting like he did something incredible. Then after that people get triggered, because they haven't been spoken like Man to Man ever. People are too damn soft pussies.

You werent radical, you were just acting like a condescending tough guy and provided 0 substance.

I find it hilarous that you said multiple times "do you understand the fucking depth of what I am saying" as if you were saying something novel  or as if your criticism would be something huge or extraordinary. If we apply the same standard that you applied to this guy's work, then you shouldn't have opened your mouth, since none of what you said had any ounce of novelty to it.

[Kksd74628]

@zurew

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

You werent radical, you were just acting like a condescending tough guy and provided 0 substance.

You have right to think so. If you think me pointing OP to actually do the work and produce valuable book is 0 substance then you're fun.

[zurew]

24 minutes ago, Kksd74628 said:

to actually do the work and produce valuable book is 0 substance then you're fun.

Yes it is not substantive, because it is compeletely meaningless. 

Do you think OP thinks his work is not valuable? Obviously he thinks it is, so for you to provide a substantive critcism, you would have to go more into the detail than just saying "your work is bad bro, you should do a better job". Even implying that his work is not novel is not a good quality critcism, since the word novel is incredibly vague and can be interpreted a bunch of ways.

Substantive criticism would be something like this: "Hey OP, I read your work and you made 3 claims that I disagree with for these reasons: Reason 1, Reason 2, Reason 3 ... " or something like "Hey OP,  I think you made some error in your reasoning or your work is built upon some assumptions that I disagree with for this set of reasons.. ."

[Kksd74628]

@zurew

5 minutes ago, zurew said:

Even implying that his work is not novel is not a good quality critcism, since the word novel is incredibly vague and can be interpreted a bunch of ways.

First of all, that's pretty comical, but it was you who used the word novel, not me.

5 minutes ago, zurew said:

Substantive criticism would be something like this: "Hey OP, I read your work and you made 3 claims that I disagree with for these reasons: Reason 1, Reason 2, Reason 3 ... " or something like "Hey OP,  I think you made some error in your reasoning or your work is built upon some assumptions that I disagree with for this set of reasons.. ."

Then to this you're absolute wrong, I don't need to use any formula to give criticism. If you were to read my responses to other people you would've seen that my position is that even a slap for bad form of push up can be valid "criticism". Also who said that I was doing professional criticism anyways, I was just expressing my thoughts and that's all.

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Try harder on the next book to really get insights from your own investigation rather than just echo chambering the status quo.

If you think my criticism isn't valid then tell me something that I already didn't know.

 

I think I've made myself clear here that the bare minimum that the author of book has to do is to create something unique.

1 hour ago, zurew said:

To be clear, you have 0 clue what the OP did, since you havent read his work.

How many books you've read? Probably if you have read even bunch of 'em you know that by just looking at the chapter names and reading blurb you can make pretty good guess what the book is about. That's because they are there LITERALLY to help you choose the DAMN book. And on top of that the OP gave me even more, he gave a brief summary so I am pretty certain that I have more than enough to comment on structure. This situation would be completely different if I would be commenting on the content level stuff like the length of phrases etc.

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Kksd74628 said:

First of all, that's pretty comical, but it was you who used the word novel, not me.

Its only pretty comical if you pretend that wasn't essentially what you expressed as a criticism. We can use other words for it like new or original, but thats pretty much how deep it goes.

1 hour ago, Kksd74628 said:

How many books you've read? Probably if you have read even bunch of 'em you know that by just looking at the chapter names and reading blurb you can make pretty good guess what the book is about. That's because they are there LITERALLY to help you choose the DAMN book. And on top of that the OP gave me even more, he gave a brief summary so I am pretty certain that I have more than enough to comment on structure. This situation would be completely different if I would be commenting on the content level stuff like the length of phrases etc.

So to be clear, you are complaining that he is talking about certain categories that others have already talked about and your issue isn't with the content itself?

If thats the case, thats a pretty shit and surface level criticism, since that can be applied literally to everyone. For example If someone mentions God "well, buddy, millions of people have already talked about God, you should talk about something new or different". As if there isn't a fuckton of novel and new insight that could be generated within a given category. Just because someone has "God" as a topic in their book , from that doesn't follow that there isn't any new or original thought about God there.

So generally to find out whether something is unique - you need to actually engage with the content itself and you cant just dismiss the whole structure.

Edited September 25 by zurew

[El Zapato]

Please consider:  No one has ever erected a statue of a critic.

[Keryo Koffa]

38 minutes ago, El Zapato said:

Please consider:  No one has ever erected a statue of a critic.

To ruin your fun & metaphoric sentiment with explicit analysis:

"The phrase "No one ever made a statue of a critic" is often attributed to Elbert Hubbard and is meant to emphasize the idea that creators and doers are celebrated more than critics. However, this isn’t entirely true in history. There are several examples of statues or memorials dedicated to critics, although they are often also writers, philosophers, or significant cultural figures.

Here are a few notable examples:

1. Jean-Paul Sartre – While known as a philosopher and existentialist writer, Sartre was also a prolific literary critic. His statues and busts are found in various parts of France.
2. Samuel Johnson – Famous for his dictionary, Johnson was also a prominent literary critic. He has a statue in Lichfield, England.
3. Matthew Arnold – A poet, cultural critic, and one of the most influential literary critics of the Victorian era, Arnold has statues and memorials dedicated to him, such as in Westminster Abbey.
4. Charles Baudelaire – The French poet and critic, often known for his critiques of art and literature, has several statues, including in Paris.
5. Edmund Burke – Although primarily known as a statesman and philosopher, Burke was also a significant cultural and literary critic, and there are multiple statues of him in London and Dublin.
6. Walter Benjamin – A critical theorist and literary critic, Benjamin has statues and memorials in Germany and elsewhere.

So, while fewer statues are made for critics compared to artists, leaders, or inventors, several well-known critics have been commemorated in statue form. Their legacy often goes beyond criticism, as many of these figures played multifaceted roles in shaping intellectual and cultural history." - ChatGPT

[Kksd74628]

@zurew

Again that's not what I am saying. It seems that you have some problems comprehending my writing.

It's not that he is speaking about same structures, but from same stupid angles. If you look at some political book, you can pretty far see what author's position is. The same way judging from OP's summary of his book, If you aren't lying, you can pretty much see it is mainstream "spiritual" teaching focusing on the beauty of expressing your emotions, seeing positivity in things and having passion. That alone tells there's nothing in it, because that is just so soft and babyish way of living life. 

"Just smile and fairies come jerk you off" energy in the book.

Edited September 25 by Kksd74628

[Nemra]

@Kksd74628, I don't think you're wrong in trusting your intuition, but you have to understand that you haven't read his book, even if you think you are right about it.

Maybe you think you are doing a good job by hitting with some hard "truths" on the OP, but he could become demotivated on continuing to get better at what he loves. You don't know about his life.

But also, the OP should understand that people aren't going to be nice to him. So, he could have ignored your aggressive attitude. He doesn't know about your life.

People aren't born learned and educated. You weren't also.

Edited September 25 by Nemra

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Kksd74628 said:

It's not that he is speaking about same structures, but from same stupid angles. If you look at some political book, you can pretty far see what author's position is. The same way judging from OP's summary of his book, If you aren't lying, you can pretty much see it is mainstream "spiritual" teaching focusing on the beauty of expressing your emotions, seeing positivity in things and having passion. That alone tells there's nothing in it, because that is just so soft and babyish way of living life. 

"Just smile and fairies come jerk you off" energy in the book.

So you went from "He is not talking about something unique and he only regurgitates status quo insights" to you having issue with the structure to not having issue with the structure but with the angle. 

When pressed, you are changing your position on things.

Pretending that those 3 things are all the same is just wrong, because 3 different criticism can be generated from them, in a way where none of them logically entail the other.

Regarding your comment about " so soft and babyish way of living life" , whats soft and babyish about the heruistics you listed there? Do you disagree with any of those heruistics?

 

[Kksd74628]

@zurew

Mainstream spirituality which is feminine is babyish.

@Nemra

If others opinions demotivate you then you're fucked either way. To me seeing all of you losing mind over my response is actually more motivating, because I know I am nowhere near that soft island where everything has to be said calmly with a gentle rub.

[Rishabh R]

57 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Kksd74628, I don't think you're wrong in trusting your intuition, but you have to understand that you haven't read his book, even if you think you are right about it.

Maybe you think you are doing a good job by hitting with some hard "truths" on the OP, but he could become demotivated on continuing to get better at what he loves. You don't know about his life.

But also, the OP should understand that people aren't going to be nice to him. So, he could have ignored your aggressive attitude. He doesn't know about your life.

People aren't born learned and educated. You weren't also.

Yeah you are right @Nemra people aren't going to be nice with me which is a great observation as it is true for both my real life as well as this forum but at other self help community forum it is the opposite.

Edited September 25 by Rishabh R

[Nemra]

Just now, Kksd74628 said:

If others opinions demotivate you then you're fucked either way. To me seeing all of you losing mind over my response is actually more motivating, because I know I am nowhere near that soft island where everything has to be said calmly with a gentle rub.

Don't assume I lost my mind.

Life is more real in Africa. Why don't you go live there? You'll be more motivated to survive than to give an opinion that doesn't help the OP.

[HMD]

Congratulations!