What are examples of Stage Turquoise communities around the world?

[CARDOZZO]

Build one inside your own mind.

Create 8 avatars where they represent each color of the spiral.

Put them together to talk about reality.

 

[Staples]

39 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Build one inside your own mind.

Create 8 avatars where they represent each color of the spiral.

Put them together to talk about reality.

 

My stage red avatar is an asshole. Green is way to nice to him. And I have no idea WTF Turquoise is talking about half the time.

Orange and yellow are pretty nice.

Blue has some heavy baggage though I'd stay away from him.

Edited September 24, 2024 by Staples

[Nivsch]

18 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

The makers are finished, It'll always be theoretical & the only way to change that is to become and evolve it yourself 😁

Yes, I would think that this is even funny to talk about stages above turquoise from how it is irrelevant, conceptual and cheapens the experience of yellow or turquoise that are broad enough already, as I doubt that a person who his center of gravity is above turquoise even exists.

Edited September 24, 2024 by Nivsch

[Ramanujan]

On 23/9/2024 at 8:01 AM, Buck Edwards said:

And what's coral? 

a group of enlightened sages

[Keryo Koffa]

6 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Yes, I would think that this is even funny to talk about stages above turquoise from how it is irrelevant, conceptual and cheapens the experience of yellow or turquoise that are broad enough already, as I doubt that a person who his center of gravity is above turquoise even exists.

Yellow is when you Self-Actualize and construct Dynamic Systems to expand understanding

Turquoise is when you see the Spirit of Life and harmonize Reality like a Bodhisattva Sage

Coral is when you make your subconscious conscious and become the fabric of Reality itself

[Carbon]

Tier 2 communities are rare. Almost all of them are stage green. Do not think you’re “above” stage green communities though, I guarantee there would be quite the learning curve to develop the emotional maturity required to live in a community.
 

Here is an amazing map of communities:

https://www.agartha.one/
 

Of all of these the only one I could say confidently say is 2 tier is Future Thinkers in Canada (they had a podcast with Ken Wilber on), and Auroville like @Davino said.
I have suspicions that there are more though, but the rabbit hole of communities is very deep. 
 

Also remember the spiral dynamics view will limit you here. Go check out the Aardehuis community in the Netherlands. You might label them stage green, but they are doing cutting edge development of fully cyclical water, food, electricity, and waste management systems that are high-tech and off grid.

[Schizophonia]

I, am the world 😉

[JosephKnecht]

On 23/09/2024 at 3:49 AM, LoneWonderer said:

Hey everyone. I'd love to at some point join a stage turquoise community or project. I don't even know where to start and how to distinguish between a stage turquoise community and  a stage green (which I want to avoid). What examples of such communities do you know of that accept people into them?

It is funny for a Lone Wonderer to be seeking a community  

Check out Foundation Arsaayian: https://fundacionarsayian.org/en/home/ . I have been to some of their gatherings. The founder is at stage turquoise and has a legit deep grasp of reality ( with an occasional performance of miracles  ).

You can join their community, but rather than singing kumbaya with them, I recommend you remain a LoneWonderer. 

 

[Keryo Koffa]

Turquoise communities? Did you guys even evolve to techno hippies yet?

https://agarthamap.notion.site/Memes-60d7380307504b90ae820cd2dff6cf3b

[Nivsch]

9 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Yellow is when you Self-Actualize and construct Dynamic Systems to expand understanding

Turquoise is when you see the Spirit of Life and harmonize Reality like a Bodhisattva Sage

Coral is when you make your subconscious conscious and become the fabric of Reality itself

Nice. I have somehow different version to them. But a bit overlap.

[Keryo Koffa]

Just now, Nivsch said:

Nice. I have somehow different version to them. But a bit overlap.

Go on, let's flash it all out 😁

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Go on, let's flash it all out 😁

In Yellow one navigates in his own mind complexities with compassion, self trust and self faith, free now really from culturaly conditioned ideas about what it means to be a "normal mind" or "normal path". In this way the depth of this stage transcends many mental disorders (or challenges if you want to identify yourself that way) and embrace their structure as a legitimate fruitful path, what diminishes most or almost all of the added suffering.

Turquoise starts to appear when one starts to see the limitations of the ever navigating process and wants better fulfilling and deeper healing in the here and now, regardless of the coordinate one is found at in the great complex maze. Turquoise increases the resolution of the path in the way he can now look at the flowers growing aside the road of the maze and see the infinite potential every moment in the journey has independently to the others. 

This is my understanding so far to the main points at the best way I could formulate.

Coral - what the hell is coral? I will go with your explanation that sounds interesting maybe you are right.

Edited September 24, 2024 by Nivsch

[Keryo Koffa]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

• Yellow Traits: Trust in Self, Autonomy, Freedom through Construct-Awareness & Unconditioning
• Turquoise: Deeper healing/fulfillment here and now, Awareness of Everyone/thing's Infinite Potential

I follow, I've been exploring the difference between Yellow & Turquoise myself.
Yellow is already mighty in its own right, and Turquoise transforms it spiritually.
Turquoise is a holistic, organic, spirited & embodied version of Yellow's seeking.
It's unitive and transcendent, focused on a living, breathing & intuitive Harmony.
It's also a deeper Synthesis of Green & Yellow working together and synergizing.
Far more self-aware through a recognition of others in empathic understanding.
One can say, it embodies the feeling of reality, that Yellow attempts to systemize.
Turquoise is like a self-actualized robot gaining an organic, feeling human body.

Now, what is Coral?
I believe much of my "Coral Trip" was actually about accelerating through Turquoise.
And I also believe that most who have done Psychedelics experienced this stage.
Yet experiencing doesn't mean understanding what is happening and its significance.

To me, Coral is a fundamentally different approach from Turqoise's self-other harmony.
Coral is Construct-Embodied:
Imagine turning the current real actualized Reality into a lucid dream equivalent.:
Everything you interact with is a form created by your infinite subconscious holarchies
You can morph every piece of materialized reality and navigate space and time freely.
Everything is a holistic associatory network, everything including you is your Construct.
You can freely navigate & morph every sensation, personality, imagination, mechanic.
You don't just realize the Universe is your Mind but actually and fully comprehend it.
You discover the exact mechanics that manifest imagination into actualized reality.
You exist outside of space and time and can navigate the past-future infinity freely.

You realize that everyone is you and can change into them, feeling exactly as they did.
That's how the self-other duality collapses experientially.
Yet every other person(ality) within is equally real as they and you ever were.
Everyone is you but you are also you with the desire to be you.
Everything & everyone is interconnected and creates realms like consensus reality.
You realize you're here for a reason, you realize you are Immortal as God & Ego.
You realize, you create your ego and it is an authentic, yet perspectival perspective.

Coral is a radical All-Inclusive & Transcendent Full-Awareness Universal Embodiment.

But for most of us, it's a transient state, we put ourselves here and tune back.
A temporal psychedelic transcendence is just a taste, we have issues to resolve.
Reality is our ground to explore, get into desires, traumas, and grow from them.

All of that is a small part of my trip but assembling the entire one is a tough endeavor.

On a more course note: Turquoise seeks to harmonize reality.
Coral transcends the harmonizing to become the entirety and explore from there.
Coral is somewhat assimilative but not really, others may still exist on other frequency strands as their own Godheads and unknown unknowns are always the case, but coral is a radical self-embodiment of your entire reality, everything is telepathy, free retrocausality, full self-awareness of everything within, a radical type of responsibility that transcends every notion of other, there is no longer a need to communicate, you are, move, do & feel to expand, explore, intensify and move towards ever greater value-fulfillment like an artist would, there is no longer any need for being a Boddhisatva when all of reality becomes self-omniscient you. And that's why Coral has an Individual tendency, as every stage of the spiral alternates between. Coral is Universal Convergence.

Maybe this Earth will never know Coral, since once we go Coral, it is the end of the world as we know it. Turquoise Sages are already too heavenly for everyone else here and the collective conscious field constructs our reality by belief and desire, in a way, we trap ourselves in lower stages in order to immerse ourselves in an authentic experience obscured enough to give it depth and reality 😁

Edited September 24, 2024 by Keryo Koffa

[Carl-Richard]

I'm starting to think maybe Turquoise is an incoherent stage due to the way the model was constructed, back with Clare Graves using person interviews.

The problem of course boils down to the problem with WEIRD samples (Western, Educated, Industrialized, etc.); "Western people" for short. When Western people reach high Tier 1 or early Tier 2 and get statistically more familiar with New Age ideas, particularly Eastern-inspired non-duality, maybe this then becomes their new highest value system when asked about it in interviews, even though it's trans-personal/trans-cognitive and it's possible to happen earlier in the Spiral (like it has for millenia), producing what appears as Turquoise. Had instead the sample been more universal (including particularly people from Eastern cultures), then this confounding variable of Eastern spiritual beliefs would've been ruled out much more easily.

So Turquoise essentially ends up becoming this bastardized mix of Green-Yellow cognition and Eastern spiritual ideas, only because we based the model on rich kids in American universities and not much else. But I would have to study the particular methods used in more in detail before making any firm conclusions.

Edited September 25, 2024 by Carl-Richard

[LoneWonderer]

Thank you all for your views very insightful 🙏.

[Nivsch]

@Keryo Koffa I will soon read your insights about coral, but you quoted me in your own words which isn't exactly what I think 😶‍🌫️

Edited September 25, 2024 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm starting to think maybe Turquoise is an incoherent stage due to the way the model was constructed, back with Clare Graves using person interviews.

This makes sense. I feel similar things about the "Construct-Ego Aware" stage of Susan Cook-Greuter that defined very narrowly to my feeling with a very New Age-ic even populist way. It has dissapointed me to my opinion and taste.

What does not do justice with the richness and depth of any stage that supposed to have so much more values and traits than only this niche perspective I have read again in her article just lately.

Feels like she has interviewed at this stage people from a specific discipline of thinking (out of many a given stage contains to my opinion), what is hard to blame her for due to the rarity of this stage in the population but I am sure a broader definition will come up in the future.

Edited September 25, 2024 by Nivsch

[Keryo Koffa]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@Keryo Koffa I will soon read your insights about coral, but you quoted me in your own words which isn't exactly what I think 😶‍🌫️

I rewrite others' takes to show what I think I'm responding to in summary. Now we can refine and expand that.

11 hours ago, Nivsch said:

In Yellow one navigates in his own mind complexities with compassion, self trust and self faith, free now really from culturaly conditioned ideas about what it means to be a "normal mind" or "normal path". In this way the depth of this stage transcends many mental disorders (or challenges if you want to identify yourself that way) and embrace their structure as a legitimate fruitful path, what diminishes most or almost all of the added suffering.

Turquoise starts to appear when one starts to see the limitations of the ever navigating process and wants better fulfilling and deeper healing in the here and now, regardless of the coordinate one is found at in the great complex maze. Turquoise increases the resolution of the path in the way he can now look at the flowers growing aside the road of the maze and see the infinite potential every moment in the journey has independently to the others.

Yellow Traits: Trust in Self, Autonomy, Freedom through Construct-Awareness & Unconditioning
Turquoise: Deeper healing/fulfillment here and now, Awareness of Everyone/thing's Infinite Potential

As I reread it, I see much that I missed:

• Yellow is an intrinsic self-understanding in compassionate self-trust stripped of preconceived notions & oughts
  Neuroses dissipate due to a deep embrace & recontextualization of the self's being, accepting all parts of oneself
• Yellow's Restlessness emerges Turquoise, seeking to heal universally in deep connection everything it's a part of 
• The bandwidth increase allows for a greater appreciation of the aspects of reality outside of one's personal journey

Edited September 25, 2024 by Keryo Koffa

[Sandhu]

Evolve yourself into Turquoise and create your own community and don't forgot to invite me when you have one.😊

[Nivsch]

11 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Yellow Traits: Trust in Self, Autonomy, Freedom through Construct-Awareness & Unconditioning
Turquoise: Deeper healing/fulfillment here and now, Awareness of Everyone/thing's Infinite Potential

As I reread it, I see much that I missed:

• Yellow is an intrinsic self-understanding in compassionate self-trust stripped of preconceived notions & oughts
  Neuroses dissipate due to a deep embrace & recontextualization of the self's being, accepting all parts of oneself
• Yellow's Restlessness emerges Turquoise, seeking to heal universally in deep connection everything it's a part of 
• The bandwidth increase allows for a greater appreciation of the aspects of reality outside of one's personal journey

Thanks for thinking seriously on my points too, your summary seems nice to me. The construct aware though is a thing I am not sure about it and don't know exactly where to place it.

Edited September 25, 2024 by Nivsch