How to make sense of technology?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Thanks Carl . Does he have any free ebook about the hard proplem of consciousness and materialisim? 

He has books, not free books.

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Materialism-Baloney-Skeptics-Everything/dp/1782793623

 

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

You say he is an idealist but I don't quite remember where did he say that consciousness is epiphenomenon from neurology.

He says neurology (the brain) correlates with personal consciousnesses, but everything happens within transpersonal Consciousness. 

I have thoughts, feelings and experiences which you don't have. They're my personal experiences. But you can look at my brain and predict with some accuracy what I'm experiencing. In that sense, the brain correlates with my personal consciousness. However, in no way does this imply the brain causes my personal consciousness. And certainly, the brain does not cause Consciousness. The brain is happening within Consciousness.

Edited September 26 by Carl-Richard

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

No I actually meant the opposite. That you are very intelligent. 

Why are you insecure lol 😂? 

It's not about being insecure; but coming from you, that question you asked me could have been a trick question and I wanted to tread lightly. Never know with you; you're a piece of work - in a good way, though.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Princess Arabia He's half a bambi, but the thrill is what makes it exciting 😁

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Princess Arabia He's half a bambi, but the thrill is what makes it exciting 😁

Brrrrruggggshhish, that name. Don't mention it to me if you don't have to, please. And, no, he's nothing like him.

Edited September 26 by Princess Arabia

[Keryo Koffa]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Brrrrruggggshhish, that name. Don't mention it to me if you don't have to, please. And, no, he's nothing like him.

"Are you running away from integration work?", asked Keryo Koffa with a mischievous grin 😁 the Princess, whose PTSD flashbacks 😣 had just kicked in. Beware of Someone here, K noted, "Oh my, did this just rhyme?" the narrator quoted.

Edited September 26 by Keryo Koffa

[Princess Arabia]

14 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

"Are you running away from integration work?", asked Keryo Koffa with a mischievous grin 😁 the Princess, whose PTSD flashbacks 😣 had just kicked in. Beware of Someone here, K noted, "Oh my, did this just rhyme?" the narrator quoted.

Lol. I just developed it a few days ago. I was fine before. Never underestimate the power of the mind and brain images. Someone constantly instilling in the brain that you have trauma, may cause one to develop trauma from that alone. Now, I have trauma from being constantly told I have trauma. Now I need someone to constantly tell me I'm rich. Lol

Edited September 26 by Princess Arabia

[Keryo Koffa]

42 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lol. I just developed it a few days ago. I was fine before. Never underestimate the power of the mind and brain images. Someone constantly instilling in the brain that you have trauma, may cause one to develop trauma from that alone. Now, I have trauma from being constantly told I have trauma. Now I need someone to constantly tell me I'm rich. Lol

I'll do you one better! You're God

[Someone here]

9 hours ago, Jannes said:

Didnt you open a topic once where you said that you love math? 

I enjoy maths.  I like solving Algebra equations. It gives me serotonin spike . But I would like to practice it as a hobby .not an obligation. 

8 hours ago, Ero said:

You are not getting either on this forum. Most people here would need to brush up on their HS math before they can explain anything to you.

Why ?

8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

He says neurology (the brain) correlates with personal consciousnesses, but everything happens within transpersonal Consciousness. 

I have thoughts, feelings and experiences which you don't have. They're my personal experiences. But you can look at my brain and predict with some accuracy what I'm experiencing. In that sense, the brain correlates with my personal consciousness. However, in no way does this imply the brain causes my personal consciousness. And certainly, the brain does not cause Consciousness. The brain is happening within Consciousness.

I've actually had enough of cracking my head over this dilemma..the truth is we don't know for certain the actual relationship between the brain and consciousness.  Because if you ask any biologist  or doctor in neurology he will tell you consciousness rises from neuronal activity.  But at the same time this is just a story that consciousness is conscious of . So it's a two sided road. A strangeloop. Brain causes consciousness. Consciousness is conscious of brain 

 

[Keryo Koffa]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I've actually had enough of cracking my head over this dilemma..the truth is we don't know for certain the actual relationship between the brain and consciousness.  Because if you ask any biologist  or doctor in neurology he will tell you consciousness rises from neuronal activity.  But at the same time this is just a story that consciousness is conscious of . So it's a two sided road. A strangeloop. Brain causes consciousness. Consciousness is conscious of brain

Oh, that part is absolutely fascinating!!! I've been contemplating it a lot:

Conscious-ness as a state of being and existence is of course independent from any materialization.
But when we talk about an intelligent, self-organizing, coherent self, then it can get quite tricky.
What we know, understand, contextualize and abide by is experience.
Of course, experience is imagination, all a simulation, either consciousness' or the brains', doesn't matter.
But we are strange looped into a bi-causal loop because we are the experience we also interact with.

And we did emerge as the intelligent contextual field of understanding and relations that we are, physically.
We can trace that development in many stages down our lives and see it mirrored in others.

Yet on psychedelics, new realities open up, and each night, sleep takes us somewhere else entirely.
So then, there are many many theories on what exactly the relation and nature of disembodied consciousness is.
Whether we'd keep that cognition or whether it originates from outside this plane, or whatever it is.

There are multiple ideas about the relationships, but essentially, the distinction needs to collapse.
The experiences we have are, propel and evolve us through their dynamic polarity.
But look at a single cell grow and notice that was you once and here you are.
Before that cell, there was another, and all transcribed the new information in infinite fragmentation.
And yet our sense of reality remains continuous.

If you ask me, consciousness is immaterial and materializes its experience, setting up its vehicle.
And the body is the vehicle that it imagines into existence and identifies with to navigate the world with.
And it continuously encodes patterns pulled out of the infinite seed of imagination, transcribed into physicality.
The body is a culmination of collected patterns/karma, responses, instincts, and survival mechanics.
It's a smart and continuously self-automating integrative system of responses, to manage one's focus.
As the body automates physical interaction with the world, consciousness can focus on ever-new endeavors.
This system is like sand flowing down an hourglass, growing into an ever-larger mountain.

[Bjorn K Holmstrom]

11 hours ago, Someone here said:

Yes of course.  It was accumulation of knowledge throughout centuries. 

But it has gone exponential in the last two centuries . Hoe do you explain that ? Air planes were discovered in the 18th century.  And now we have chat gpt ..how do you explain this ?

I would say it is a feedback loop of advancement feeding advancement. A simple metaphor is a snowball rolling down a snowy hill. The surface area increases with the movement which in turn leads to more snow being picked up leading to accelerated increase in the size of the snowball. Just replace snow with the perceived accumulated intelligence of our world. But also as someone pointed out, the paradigms are important too, shifts happen which catalyst advancements

[Ero]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

Why ?

Brother, the answer is in the quote.

[Ero]

59 minutes ago, Bjorn K Holmstrom said:

I would say it is a feedback loop of advancement feeding advancement. A simple metaphor is a snowball rolling down a snowy hill. The surface area increases with the movement which in turn leads to more snow being picked up leading to accelerated increase in the size of the snowball. Just replace snow with the perceived accumulated intelligence of our world. But also as someone pointed out, the paradigms are important too, shifts happen which catalyst advancements

That is a good analogy. The growing surface area has a nice parallel with the development of entirely new fields that are only possible due to advancements in earlier formulations (say calculus-> analysis -> mesure theory -> functional analysis -> K-theory)

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

I've actually had enough of cracking my head over this dilemma..the truth is we don't know for certain the actual relationship between the brain and consciousness.  Because if you ask any biologist  or doctor in neurology he will tell you consciousness rises from neuronal activity.

If you ask someone who is metaphysically illiterate about metaphysical questions, of course you'll get metaphysically illiterate answers. Mainstream biologists and doctors work squarely within metaphysically illiterate materialist science. They don't need to know the difference between concepts like phenomenal consciousness, intentionality, meta-consciousness, etc. They only need to know the difference between someone who is sleeping, or in a coma, or under general anesthesia. These are surface-level behavioral observations that do not require any deep philosophical thought.

[Keryo Koffa]

On 9/26/2024 at 5:16 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Brrrrruggggshhish, that name. Don't mention it to me if you don't have to, please.

Help. There's a landmine in my thread, and if I set it off, the universe might implode.

Edited October 5 by Keryo Koffa

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Help. There's a landmine in my thread, and if I set it off, the universe might implode.

Your turn.

[Keryo Koffa]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Your turn.

My situation is basically this, so I'll have to use my secret technique passed on through generations!
(bambi at the end XD)

Edited October 5 by Keryo Koffa

[Leo Gura]

I have a video planned on the nature of technology.

[CARDOZZO]

@Someone here

You will get amazed that AI empires are built on.... SAND!

It is a good metaphor. 

Is AI a sand castle?

 

Edited October 6 by CARDOZZO

[Keryo Koffa]

@CARDOZZO Well, according to a lot of mythology, we're made of clay, so...

Edited October 6 by Keryo Koffa

[PenguinPablo]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have a video planned on the nature of technology.

Now this I want to see... Honestly should be a multi-part series