Without consciousness there is no physical world?

[Keryo Koffa]

5 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said:

@Keryo Koffa I don't think i grasp your language completely.

1. If you mean that we can be / be awere of two things simultaneously , the answer is No.
2. If you mean that there exixist selves that have indipendent existence, not produced by the mind, then again the answer is No.

It was more about whether an experience like yours can exist simultaneously outside of your own current awareness

1. Fair enough, if you were aware of two simultaneously, they'd be one in your awareness, Non-Duality basically
2. It's more whether there are selves with an equal experience of your level of reality/awareness but outside it

I don't see why the mind can't be a holistic fractal of multiple layers of various selves within an Unbound Telesis infinity

Edited September 23 by Keryo Koffa

[Davino]

@Keryo Koffa Did you have that Awakening? How did it come to be?

[Keryo Koffa]

@Davino That's a long story from 2 months ago and I'm still working on that "coral trip" report.

It was weeks of dissociative build-up, self-transcendence, and holarchy traversal peaked with a psychedelic overdose

Imagine entering a revertable state of lucid dreaming superimposed on a perfect simulation of reality, where every construct is freely modifiable and all laws of physics breakable & changeable, but you also know this is yet another infinite real-time divergent distraction from becoming infinite & transcending reality itself before your simultaneous trip-time is over, what would you do? If you could visualize the contents and all your memories and subconscious as such a space-time dimension to freely navigate and interact with all the simulated constructs inside that feed your daily awareness and perception filtering, and also rearange them, where would you begin? That part didn't last long but I did get a taste of it before I was thrown into a much more disintegrated state, then I went back and forth and I unlocked tons of similarly fascinating aspects of reality. My ultimate goal was to completely leave this plane through pure conscious deconstruction, though and I varied through the layers, dissolving all my attachments and desires into 0 in the end. Yet I'm still here. The message I got from above is basically "Everything is real even if unreal in some ways and me leaving this place still matters", I was shown everything I was leaving behind and the rationalizations and after-effects reality would create for my disappearance, and so I was basically made to engage back in Earth experience to grow and actually fulfill my previous desires, because once I die, I'll get into that state anyway and it'd be a shame to leave everything behind and leave so early when there is so much more to see, interact with, learn, and fulfill.

[Davino]

@Keryo Koffa Thanks for sharing ❤️

I'm planning to do a psychedelic intensive retreat some day

 

[_Archangel_]

@Keryo Koffa1. yes, when we have the feeling that we are are being aware of multiple things at once (i.e. muti-tasking), it means that atteention is in the process of moving super-fast from one object to another. Getting deeper into this mechanism the sum-total of specific set of sensations create a structure so complex that we percieve it as a whole: that is, our identity.
When we take objects to complex, standard attention isn't even moving through the sub-sets, is focused direcly on the whole.

2. The point is, even if you could access another "self" that supposedely is outside of your current experience, this would still result in experiencing a totalizing, whole-encompassing experience, the Self would still be one.
You might become a completely different Human being like it happens in some Sci-fi fashioned story, but Self unity would be unmoved.
The concept of "other selves that have existence and life of their own" can only be an Hypothesis resulting in a thought appearing in the only Self.

[r0ckyreed]

How do you idealists explain answering a phone call? If someone calls you and you talk to them on the phone, by definition, they exist outside your consciousness. How could the phone ring in the first place if nothing exists outside your mind? 

[Keryo Koffa]

2 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

How do you idealists explain answering a phone call? If someone calls you and you talk to them on the phone, by definition, they exist outside your consciousness. How could the phone ring in the first place if nothing exists outside your mind? 

Leo would say: You imagine someone colling you and construct their personality in real-time

[Vibes]

On 22/9/2024 at 10:33 AM, Hojo said:

There is consciousness with no world. Its like your eyes are taped open and you are looking at pitch black and cant move but you can still think. But you don't know you are thinking because there is no identity so its just like a thing is there existing and you are experiencing whatever it is experiencing. There was consciousness to witness the beginning it just wasn't defined as anything so it wasn't happening to anyone or anything its just happening in consciousness.

Pretend when you close your eyes you arent looking inside your body but closing your eyes is cutting off information on what consciousness can see inside your body. You are outside and by blinking you are turning the lights off outside not inside. When you blink the entire bubble world in front of you (with the people and objects) goes black its not inside your body thats black. When you die you realize you are this space in front of you and you lose all sense of what the body was feeding into you but you are still there.

God is consciousness its always there and you will never die because you have consciousness that means you have God. Just the spaces you exist in will change and bodies you pretend to inhabit will change. Bodies have infinite variety of perception so your perceptions will change as well. You can inhabit a body where the feelings of your legs are over your head and you have 10 of them, your arms feel like machetes and your eyes see 16 circles instead of one big one and you are on a green planet moving around with 0 context of how you got there or what is happening or what to do beside your intuition. This would be exactly like a dream but this is what a human is too only we have ego.

That's a very good explanation.

I saw that I'm not inside the body, and I know that in the moment of death I will simply stop identifying with the body but I wonder what the hell will change in perception? Like, will everything melt away into blackness and reemerge as different forms or I'll watch the decay of the body, the funeral etc...? What controls what the next dream will be, total lack of control?

Edited October 10 by Vibes

[Vibes]

On 25/9/2024 at 11:43 AM, r0ckyreed said:

How do you idealists explain answering a phone call? If someone calls you and you talk to them on the phone, by definition, they exist outside your consciousness. How could the phone ring in the first place if nothing exists outside your mind? 

By definition they exist inside my consciousness. Don't you see that everything that appears is tied to your consciousness?

Think about an outside. Is the outside inside your consciousness right now?

[Yimpa]

Without a physical world, U will be grinning from Universe to Universe.

[Hojo]

@Vibes i don't know but I guess you fly up and everything around you starts worshipping you and signing to you and you become all of it and its all looking at you.

[cetus]

On 9/23/2024 at 7:27 AM, AION said:

 

It recognizes that consciousness is an integral part of the fabric of reality as far as I understand it. 
 

 

 @AION This may interest you..... Proof That Reality Is An ILLUSION: The Mystery Beyond Space-Time | Donald Hoffman (youtube.com)