Textbook Stage Blue Clashing With Stage Green

[BlessedLion]

I found this absolutely fascinating after studying Spiral Dynamics. The Stage Blue guy literally believes fully everything about the mythical stories of Jesus (classic) while the Stage Green is mostly open and respectful of his opinion (all perspectives are equal, Classic Green) 

 

 

[BlessedLion]

Also quite interesting and shocked me was how few people at burning man are actually awake or even have a background knowledge of deeper spiritual truths. They’re more about the art I guess

[Ulax]

@BlessedLion Interesting share. I'm always quite intrigued by blue. There worldview can lend itself to having a lot of confidence in their worldview because of their clear cut view of right and wrong.

[UnbornTao]

 

 

[Leo Gura]

You can just tell that Jesus guy is running the Evangelical script. They brainwash them to develop those born-again scripts and he's parrotting it out just like they trained him, like a good little monkey.

Edited September 22 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

6 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

They’re more about the art I guess.

Well, the preacher is the worst artist then.

[Forestluv]

The Jesus guy repeatedly said that people at Burning Man were "escaping reality". He is subconsciously assuming that his imagination of reality is "real" and those at Burning Man have "false" realities that they use to "escape". He is unaware how he is constructing his own sense of reality. 

He uses the concept of "escape reality". Within his construct of reality, "escape" means going outside of "real reality": the paradigm of evangelical Christianity. Ironically, his mindspace is contracted and confined within this paradigm. What he perceives as an "escape from reality" can be considered an escape from the mental confinement of a particular paradigm, in this case evangelical Christianity.

Blue stage minds perceive reality as binary choices. In this case, Jesus as savior is true and any other view is false. For him, there is no transcendence of his wordview since that would mean rejecting Jesus and embracing a view that Christianity is bullshit. This brings us to Orange. . . I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian environment and then went to a University where I majored in natural science. My mind evolved toward more rational, logical forms of sensemaking that were evidence based. I then saw Christian beliefs as irrational bullshit. In a sense, this is a higher level, looking down - yet the mindset is still contracted since it reduces a larger system into a simple binary construct: Christianity is either true or irrational bullshit. . .

The next level higher would begin to realize that Christianity has aspects of truth within a larger system that also includes aspects of truth from other religions, spirituality, nature, art etc. Rather than rejecting ideas of Jesus, a more transcendent view can see the irrationality of religious beliefs and integrate those beliefs as components of a higher 'trans-rational' construct of reality and god. Some of the Burning Man people in the video are entering this stage, yet they didn't have clear awareness nor resolution. For example, one person said their sense of spirituality was a "One-ness" of everything. To me, it seemed to be an amorphous idea without resolution of what that involves.  Yet there is also something to be said for an amorphous mindspace as a way to relate to "ISness". As well, an amorphous mind space allows for many possibilities for construct creation. It's like having an amorphous ball of clay that can be molded into many different construct forms. 

This also applies to other paradigms of reality. For example, a conventional scientist such as "Professor Dave" who is confined within a mindspace of rationality, logic, evidence, materialism etc. Similar to Jesus guy, Professor Dave cannot access a higher level of transcendent perception. Dave is confined to perceiving rational or irrational. At stage Orange, he would be able to see degrees of irrationality along a spectrum, yet his spectrum is limited to two endpoints: complete irrationality on one end and complete rationality on the other end. He is unable to transcend the spectrum to see "transrational", nor can he see how the mind constructs this binary spectrum. I know this to be true because I had a conversation with Dave and he quickly perceived me as an irrational liar that was trying to trick him. 

[BlessedLion]

18 hours ago, Ulax said:

@BlessedLion Interesting share. I'm always quite intrigued by blue. There worldview can lend itself to having a lot of confidence in their worldview because of their clear cut view of right and wrong.

Absolutely. That kid has 0 hesitation in his voice 

[BlessedLion]

4 hours ago, Forestluv said:

The Jesus guy repeatedly said that people at Burning Man were "escaping reality". He is subconsciously assuming that his imagination of reality is "real" and those at Burning Man have "false" realities that they use to "escape". He is unaware how he is constructing his own sense of reality. 

He uses the concept of "escape reality". Within his construct of reality, "escape" means going outside of "real reality": the paradigm of evangelical Christianity. Ironically, his mindspace is contracted and confined within this paradigm. What he perceives as an "escape from reality" can be considered an escape from the mental confinement of a particular paradigm, in this case evangelical Christianity.

Blue stage minds perceive reality as binary choices. In this case, Jesus as savior is true and any other view is false. For him, there is no transcendence of his wordview since that would mean rejecting Jesus and embracing a view that Christianity is bullshit. This brings us to Orange. . . I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian environment and then went to a University where I majored in natural science. My mind evolved toward more rational, logical forms of sensemaking that were evidence based. I then saw Christian beliefs as irrational bullshit. In a sense, this is a higher level, looking down - yet the mindset is still contracted since it reduces a larger system into a simple binary construct: Christianity is either true or irrational bullshit. . .

The next level higher would begin to realize that Christianity has aspects of truth within a larger system that also includes aspects of truth from other religions, spirituality, nature, art etc. Rather than rejecting ideas of Jesus, a more transcendent view can see the irrationality of religious beliefs and integrate those beliefs as components of a higher 'trans-rational' construct of reality and god. Some of the Burning Man people in the video are entering this stage, yet they didn't have clear awareness nor resolution. For example, one person said their sense of spirituality was a "One-ness" of everything. To me, it seemed to be an amorphous idea without resolution of what that involves.  Yet there is also something to be said for an amorphous mindspace as a way to relate to "ISness". As well, an amorphous mind space allows for many possibilities for construct creation. It's like having an amorphous ball of clay that can be molded into many different construct forms. 

This also applies to other paradigms of reality. For example, a conventional scientist such as "Professor Dave" who is confined within a mindspace of rationality, logic, evidence, materialism etc. Similar to Jesus guy, Professor Dave cannot access a higher level of transcendent perception. Dave is confined to perceiving rational or irrational. At stage Orange, he would be able to see degrees of irrationality along a spectrum, yet his spectrum is limited to two endpoints: complete irrationality on one end and complete rationality on the other end. He is unable to transcend the spectrum to see "transrational", nor can he see how the mind constructs this binary spectrum. I know this to be true because I had a conversation with Dave and he quickly perceived me as an irrational liar that was trying to trick him. 

What’s really wild is this kid really genuinely thinks he is at the highest level of truth and development. If we were to explain something like Spiral Dynamics to him, he would very likely call it demonic. Just imagine, that is his genuine experience, “he is out there spreading the truth and saving the sinners”. He has no ability to look into his own bias and hypocrisy. It’s fascinating. 

[Sincerity]

This is disgustingly cringe to me lol. It's so obvious he's trying to sell something from the start of each conversation and he's interested in just that. He nods his head listening to those he speaks to but in truth he does not listen at all. He is only intent on selling. Insufferable.

This is a square preaching to polyhedrons.

 

[Carl-Richard]

I was approached by a Jehova's witness on the street while hanging up a poster to my study, and I was like "yeah, I'm into what you could call religion, took some courses on the psychology of religion" etc., and he was essentially like "yeah, but my religion is true though" 🥲

Edited September 22 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I was approached by a Jehova's witness on the street while hanging up a poster to my study, and I was like "yeah, I'm into what you could call religion, took some courses on the psychology of religion" etc., and he was essentially like "yeah, but my religion is true though" 🥲

That's where you tell him, "Have you heard of the power of Satan? Come with me to Satan worship class on Thursday. There will be free pizza."

Edited September 22 by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

That's where you tell him, "Have you heard of the power of Satan? Come with me to Satan worship class on Thursday."

 Haha. I actually think I had the thought: "what if I told him I sometimes listen to 'satanic' Black Metal music by people who literally burned down churches?" 

[UnbornTao]

"Have you heard of our lord and savior Gotama?"

[BlessedLion]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I was approached by a Jehova's witness on the street while hanging up a poster to my study, and I was like "yeah, I'm into what you could call religion, took some courses on the psychology of religion" etc., and he was essentially like "yeah, but my religion is true though" 🥲

I once told one of those guys ,”Actually, you are fully God, as am I, there is no seperation.” 
 

And he was like…” the implications of that would be…difficult to accept.” 
 

But I could tell he was kinda actually touched by it. Maybe he’s a Buddha Yogi now 😋

[Ulax]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I was approached by a Jehova's witness on the street while hanging up a poster to my study, and I was like "yeah, I'm into what you could call religion, took some courses on the psychology of religion" etc., and he was essentially like "yeah, but my religion is true though" 🥲

I remember coming against a preacher who's stick was preaching the positives and then when he noticed the person was unmoved would threaten them with hell . Was pretty funny to watch

[ricachica]

Literally this morning after my yoga class, this older lady started talking to me and eventually asked if I was a Christian. I said no, and she was like, well do you know Jesus Christ? I was like "yeah, he's cool". lol. Started going on about heaven and hell and encouraging me to go to church. I just politely nodded along and smiled, while politely declining at her offers.

She told me a story of how she was late driving to her new job, when she needed to cross 6 lanes to make her next turn. She just closed her eyes and prayed to God to blindly swerve over 6 lanes to make it. She made it, hit no cars, and said that was proof that God is real. oof.

She was very sweet overall, it's just hard to find an out when they start their rant, I had to ask about going to the bathroom to end it after 20 mins.

[BlessedLion]

1 hour ago, ricachica said:

She told me a story of how she was late driving to her new job, when she needed to cross 6 lanes to make her next turn. She just closed her eyes and prayed to God to blindly swerve over 6 lanes to make it

That is gold 🤣