What will become of the right once Trump is gone?

[What Am I]

3 minutes ago, Joshe said:

When you realize this is how the world works, it feels like a conspiracy, but God would be the conspirator.  

In this context, there is no grand narrative and there is no kabal and there is no plan. There are only entities trying to survive in a jungle and the only plan is survival by any means necessary. 

Some people have realized we're living in a fucking jungle and think it would be best to not do that, so they attempt to influence people to cooperate in building healthy societal structures so we can evolve as a species. 

But other people benefit from the laws of the jungle. They benefit from chaos and confusion. If your edge is in the jungle, you don't want to lose the jungle. 

The lower group cannot admit they want to keep the jungle and so they distort their thinking to protect themselves from the truth. 

As reality unfolds, new exploits are revealed and entities do what they can to maximize their survival agendas. 

It's not conspiratorial at all... but I remember it feeling like that when I started to understand this is how it works.

I can relate more to these concepts, but I feel it drifts a bit back into how I was interpreting it. As like a natural expression spontaneously occurring in humanity without a real owner. A situation where even Trump would be a victim, so to speak.

[Joshe]

23 minutes ago, What Am I said:

I can relate more to these concepts, but I feel it drifts a bit back into how I was interpreting it. As like a natural expression spontaneously occurring in humanity without a real owner. A situation where even Trump would be a victim, so to speak.

And I would go back to variable weights. 

Using your logic, can't we just as easily say Hitler was a victim? Or just as easily blame Hitler's parents? 

It's possible to excuse ALL blame from EVERYONE if you want to. It's true, In the grand scheme, we're all innocent and to blame for nothing. But this truth is useless in the realm of problem solving. If you want to solve a problem, that is, to take action to prevent it from recurring, you have to identify and observe how it manifests. 

Just allow this scary thought to sit in your head for a bit.: If the vast majority of intelligent people identify Trump as 90% of the problem and the vast majority of not-so-intelligent people identify him as 10% of the problem, how does that make you feel? 

Do you think your read is more accurate than Sam Harris' and Leo's? This isn't an appeal to authority. It's just something to consider because if my position was diametrically opposed to highly intelligent people, that would bother me and I wouldn't stop until I found there error or mine. 

Ok, ok, I'm done! 😆 Nice chat! TGIF! 

Edited September 20 by Joshe

[What Am I]

13 minutes ago, Joshe said:

And I would go back to variable weights. 

Using your logic, can't we just as easily say Hitler was a victim? Or just as easily blame Hitler's parents? 

It's possible to excuse ALL blame from EVERYONE if you want to. It's true, In the grand scheme, we're all innocent and to blame for nothing. But this truth is useless in the realm of problem solving. If you want to solve a problem, that is, to take action to prevent it from recurring, you have to identify and observe how it manifests. 

Pretty fair points, not easy to argue. It's possible I took this philosophy that I adopted for the thread and pushed it to its limit of being useful lol.

14 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Just allow this scary thought to sit in your head for a bit.: If the vast majority of intelligent people identify Trump as 90% of the problem and the vast majority of not-so-intelligent people identify him as 10% of the problem, how does that make you feel? 

Do you think your read is more accurate than Sam Harris' and Leo's? This isn't an appeal to authority. It's just something to consider because if my position was diametrically opposed to highly intelligent people, that would bother me and I wouldn't stop until I found there error or mine. 

This is an interesting question that I'll briefly comment on. Ever since realizing spirituality is real in the literal sense, I've had a difficult time using mass consensus as a reliable barometer for what's actually true. What am I to think when more than 99% of the planet, including the seemingly smartest people alive, are as ignorant of a spiritual reality as can possibly be? And not just that, but the popular opinion is to be incredulous at the very notion. What bizarre series of events led to such a scenario? If nothing else, the comfort that I used to take in thinking I can know what's real because "everyone says so" has been greatly diminished.

Of course, those of us who've come to a realization about reality don't always have to agree on stuff outside of spirituality. It's probably alright if Leo and I aren't in lockstep. Honestly, his knowledge in a bunch of relevant areas blows mine away, so I'd usually suggest going with him for an informed take.

I'm not even sure what to make of Sam Harris. He's somehow taken up a decades-long spiritual practice, supposedly has had success reaching prized states of consciousness, and yet he continues to maintain a straight up athiestic view. Something isn't adding up, whether it's a lack of authentic meditative skill on his part, or a rigidity that simply won't allow him to make the mental leap required to intellectually understand what he experientially knows.

31 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Ok, ok, I'm done! 😆 Nice chat! TGIF! 

Good chat, TGIF, brotherman.

[ryandesreu]

I am aware that there will be a hole in my hate-heart when he goes away. Hahahaha

On a side note, I just had the following discussion with ChatGPT that you might want to look at. 

Me: For the first time in history one can say "he's an idiot" without saying who "he" is and people will know who one is talking about. Do you know who I'm talking about chatgpt?

ChatGPT: It's possible you're referring to a public figure who has been widely criticized or controversial in recent times, perhaps in politics or popular culture. However, without more context, I can't say for certain who you're referring to, as it could depend on the current social or political climate. Could you clarify who you're thinking of?

Me: Guess

ChatGPT: Given the context, it's likely you're referring to a prominent political figure, possibly Donald Trump, as he's often a subject of strong opinions and public discourse. However, this is just a guess based on common discussions. Let me know if that’s who you meant!

Me: You are smart. Yes

Edited September 28 by ryandesreu

[enchanted]

On 20/09/2024 at 5:03 AM, Leo Gura said:

They will conjure up some new fake populist lunatic.

The American right is addicted to lunacy now and they will not settle for less. 

They will find someone who's totally unqualified, some celeb type like Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan or Elon Musk or Charlie Kirk or Tim Pool.

I predict a new era of internet celeb politicians who are totally ignorant about government but popular with the mouth-breathing masses on social media.

This is a grim prediction that seems plausible. An empire long united must divide.