If a tree falls in a forest and there's nobody there does it make a sound?

[Elshaddai]

Is there even a concrete answer to this age old question?

[Joshe]

I don't have an answer but here's my 2 cents:

You could place a trail camera there to record the fall. No one would witness it but the camera would still show the tree falling. 

Wherever you go, that's what you'll see. If you go to the edge of the universe, there will be things there. Those things don't exist until you go there. 

Wherever you go, there will be some reality there.

What is under a rock? You have to go look to experience it. 

Whether you go to the forest to watch the tree fall or set up a camera to record it, it can only be witnessed if you go to the camera or to the forest. 

[Leo Gura]

If you fart in your dreams, does anyone hear it?

[Joshe]

😂Next-level koan right there!

[r0ckyreed]

If someone is killed in the forest and if no one is around to witness it, are they dead?

Edited September 20, 2024 by r0ckyreed

[Vibes]

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you fart in your dreams, does anyone hear it?

'They'll' all act like they do to keep the play rolling.

[Saranagata]

There's no tree and no forest without anybody being there. 

[Princess Arabia]

35 minutes ago, Saranagata said:

There's no tree and no forest without anybody being there. 

So I guess if my brother is a tree planter in a forest, he can call out everyday and tell the boss there are no trees and no forest to go to.

[ici]

Yes, it does make a sound.

You could empirically prove this by placing a microphone.

[ici]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you fart in your dreams, does anyone hear it?

I mean, it’s a brain wave after all. If we could amplify the signal of your dreams, we might be able to hear it.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, ici said:

Yes, it does make a sound.

You could empirically prove this by placing a microphone.

And who would be listening.

[ici]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

And who would be listening.

At the time of recording nobody.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, ici said:

At the time of recording nobody.

But you just said it could be proven with a microphone. I guess a microphone nobody would hear.

[ici]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

But you just said it could be proven with a microphone. I guess a microphone nobody would hear.

Yes, because nobody would be there at the time of recording.

You could pick up the mic and recorder later and play it back.

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, ici said:

Yes, because nobody would be there at the time of recording.

You could pick up the mic and recorder later and play it back.

You mentioned nothing about a recorder. Still, that's still an observer, regardless of time since time doesn't really exist; so it would be like it was being observed in the NOW moment. Doesn't prove a thing. Same as if you were there.

Edited September 20, 2024 by Princess Arabia

[ici]

@Princess Arabia Yeah, we cannot prove something exists if we cannot observe it.

We could only hypothesise about and bring into question the existence of what we cannot observe.

[Saranagata]

@Princess Arabia there's no boss without your brother observing.  and there's no brother without you observing. and there's no you without me observing. 

[Keryo Koffa]

You imagine world, sound, context into existence.

Tuned into reality is a fractal self-mirroring construct.

Question is: What are the dynamics of our level of reality?

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, Saranagata said:

@Princess Arabia there's no boss without your brother observing.  and there's no brother without you observing. and there's no you without me observing. 

I guess there's no me for you without you observing because I damn sure was here all night while you were not observing. This shit's tricky.

[Jannes]

- Given that a flap of a butterly will effect the whole lore of the cosmos through domino effect the sound of a tree falling will also effect the rest of the world in the same way - and you can notice that, although you might not be conscious of the whole picture. 

- There is no tree falling without someone noticing. If you think of a tree falling without someone noticing you a thinking about a tree falling without someone noticing. So wait Yes! -  you can think about a tree falling without someone noticing even though you notice but self deception is absolute truth!