Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[Leo Gura]

On 2/28/2025 at 7:02 PM, Vibes said:

Btw

We should all start writing trump with lower case t as a sign of disrespect and scorn.

The uppercase T in Trump is for his absolute assholeishness.

Edited Friday at 01:38 AM by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

Putin and Macron arguing about Napoleon 

 

[PurpleTree]

An Irish boy in Ukraine ☘️ 

 

[PurpleTree]

 

[zazen]

On 3/5/2025 at 10:14 AM, zazen said:

@Breakingthewall 

“Having masterminded the coup in February against the democratically elected government in Kiev, Washington's planned seizure of Russia's historic, legitimate warm-water naval base in Crimea failed. The Russians defended themselves, as they have done against every threat and invasion from the west for almost a century.

“But Nato's military encirclement has accelerated, along with US-orchestrated attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine. If Putin can be provoked into coming to their aid, his pre-ordained "pariah" role will justify a Nato-run guerrilla war that is likely to spill into Russia itself.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger

 

A good parallel scenario from Chat GPT:

“Imagine India is rising on the world stage, but the U.S. or China starts arming Pakistan to the teeth, turning it into a military outpost right on India’s border. At the same time, Pakistan starts persecuting Punjabis, banning their language, cracking down on their identity—people with deep historical ties to India. Does India just sit back and say, “Oh well, that’s Pakistan’s business”? Hell no. India sees the writing on the wall. This isn’t just a border dispute—it’s a geopolitical squeeze, an attempt to box India in and weaken it. So India pushes back, whether through diplomacy or force, because no serious power allows a global rival to build a military foothold in a historically connected neighbor without responding.

That’s exactly how Russia saw Ukraine. NATO wasn’t just expanding—it was turning Ukraine into a U.S.-backed battering ram against Russia. Ukraine wasn’t just independent—it was actively cracking down on its Russian-speaking population. And Russia wasn’t just paranoid—it was reacting the way any major power would if a hostile alliance tried to install a military outpost on its doorstep. The only difference? When the U.S. or its allies do the same thing, it’s called “defending democracy.” When Russia does it, it’s called “imperialism.” Funny how that works.”

India and Pakistan both share historical and ethnic ties with Punjabis - who were divided along the border. Works well as a example.

The irony is that people call Russias move as some imperial expansionist play when it’s literally a response to Western imperialism itself! 

 

On 3/5/2025 at 0:39 PM, zazen said:

We could even use the current situation with Canada to hypothetically draw the parallel. Imagine now since Trump is imposing tariffs Canadians start getting nationalistic and prosecuting Americans and suppressing American culture in Canada.

Chat GPT: Imagine This Hypothetical Scenario

For decades, China and the U.S. were locked in a Cold War—a global, ideological, and military rivalry that nearly ended in nuclear annihilation multiple times. China ultimately won, the U.S. collapsed, and for a time, China reigned supreme. But now, years later, the U.S. is rebuilding itself, challenging China’s global dominance again, and China wants to keep it down permanently.

Now, right on the U.S. border, Canada starts shifting. It undergoes a political revolution, installs a fiercely anti-American government, and begins cracking down on pro-U.S. Canadians—banning the American flag, erasing American history from schools, shutting down pro-American media, and even militarily suppressing Canadian provinces that still feel tied to the U.S.

And who is backing this new Canada? China - their old rival who they nearly blew the world up over.

This same nation, China, pours billions into arming Canada, embeds its military forces, and begins installing missile systems along the U.S.-Canada border—pointed directly at Washington, New York, and Chicago. And this isn’t a conspiracy—China’s own think tanks openly discuss their strategy to weaken and encircle the U.S., stating that American resurgence must be stopped at all costs.

But here’s the real kicker: China has a long track record of invading countries, toppling governments, and breaking promises about its military intentions. It has: Launched wars under false pretenses , bombed nations into collapse, overthrown leaders who didn’t submit to its interests, crossed security red lines in the past, lying about its true motives.

And now this same proven war machine is offering “security guarantees” to Canada—just like NATO has done with Ukraine.

Would the U.S. just sit back and watch? Would it do nothing while:

1. A hostile, foreign-backed military buildup emerges on its doorstep?

2. Pro-U.S. populations in Canada are discriminated against, silenced or even attacked?

Of course not. The U.S. would take action—diplomatically first, militarily if necessary—because no serious power would allow this threat to materialize.''

We don't have to condone the most blatant act of aggression (invasion) but we can understand it. The same way people can condemn Hamas on October 7th, yet understand the context in which it happened and who the aggressor is that pushed a certain group (Palestinians/Hamas or Russians) into such a corner that they were left with no choice but to act out in such a way.

A good hypothetical me and @Breakingthewall co-created lol. May help lubricate and fire up Westerners empathy neurons to help put yourselves in Russia's shoes, in order to at least understand, not condone Russia's action.

On 3/5/2025 at 0:50 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Furthermore, a Canadian battalion led by a football ultra with neo-Nazi insignia on their flags would bomb a state in dispute between Canada and the US for 8 years, killing thousands of people each year, while China builds 5 virus laboratories near the border, and at one point is preparing to place nuclear weapons aimed at New York. After 8 years, President Trump orders the invasion of that border state, and the entire world calls him Adolf Trumper and everyone idolizes the president of Canada who promoted this situation, who was a comic actor who in his show appeared with two Uzis machine-gunning the parliamentarians in parliament.

 

[Breakingthewall]

The US does not hide its intention to weaken Russia as one of the key points in foreign policy. Also China.

Is there any country that has in its program to weaken the United States and try to plunge it into a crisis, with the final intention of disintegrating its national integrity?

But the US does not do it only with its "enemies", it also wants to weaken its ally/slave Germany. Of course, for the good of humanity, democracy and goodness in general.

They can also destroy countries like Libya and plunge them into medieval chaos, just for economic interests and whoever does it gets the Nobel Peace Prize. It's wonderful to be an American, because you're on the side of good and everyone else is on the side of evil, so you can do whatever you want to them and still get the Nobel Peace Prize.

Edited 13 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

French economist says the US will probably descend into dictatorship.

[Juressic]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

French economist says the US will probably descend into dictatorship.

Of course, because dictators need absolute power in order to make their country great again. Quote "Russia is not an enemy, it happens that, as well as USA, is led by dictators".  Russia will very likely join the EU when Putin passes away, and if you know spiral dynamics it seems very obvious. I can't regret Navalny's death, because if he won the elections Russia and EU would be best friends, whole northen part of the earth would be united!

[PurpleTree]

21 minutes ago, Juressic said:

Of course, because dictators need absolute power in order to make their country great again. Quote "Russia is not an enemy, it happens that, as well as USA, is led by dictators".  Russia will very likely join the EU when Putin passes away, and if you know spiral dynamics it seems very obvious. I can't regret Navalny's death, because if he won the elections Russia and EU would be best friends, whole northen part of the earth would be united!

Well i hope Western Europe, Russia and Ukraine will be best friends one time 🦭☘️ 

[Karmadhi]

On 3/7/2025 at 2:37 AM, Leo Gura said:

The uppercase T in Trump is for his absolute assholeishness.

 

I was having a discussion with a friend of mine about Russia attacking its neighbors like Ukraine and Georgia in the past and the argument he gave me was: "As long as you do not mess with Russia nothing happens. You only get attacked when you are unfriendly to Russia. The solution is easy, be nice and diplomatic to them". How would your respond to this?

Edited 2 hours ago by Karmadhi