Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[PurpleTree]

Good assessment, it was a gross ambush and probably planned that way by the Trump/US administration.

 

[puporing]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Good assessment, it was a gross ambush and probably planned that way by the Trump/US administration.

 

I/we have to help him, however we can.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, puporing said:

I/we have to help him, however we can.

Gosh but we don’t even really exist.

[puporing]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Gosh but we don’t even really exist.

Sounds like a cop out to me.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, puporing said:

Sounds like a cop out to me.

Can you build drones?

 

[puporing]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Can you build drones?

 

I'm considering my options, personally.

I think more than anything is people need "strategic guidance" on dealing with Putin/Russia as well as Trump and associates.

I may or may not have to carry these out myself personally, we shall see, but I'm saying strategic guidance is currently a top priority.

It's also probably not a bad idea to join a peace keeping reservist force.

Edited 7 hours ago by puporing

[Leo Gura]

Trump's narcissism in that press conference is off the hook. Pure ego.

[Juressic]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump's narcissism in that press conference is off the hook. Pure ego.

Imagine how rude he would be if there were no valuable ores in Ukraine.  

[Hatfort]

The mineral deal is off the table right now, and it will be hard to retake after the Oval Office spectacle. I don't think Ukraine owes anything in exchange for Western monetary and weapon aid, as they've already paid such a high price with their lives. I know it's not how the world works in most instances, but I wanted to point it out anyway.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hatfort

[Shane Hanlon]

I've never been more embarassed to be American. 

[Yimpa]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump's narcissism in that press conference is off the hook.

 

[PurpleTree]

It’s gross.

Zelensky probably had like a 15 hour trip.

Just to get bullied and ambushed by Vance and Trump.

Funny thing is Ukrainians were very pro US. Much more than western Europeans but not anymore i imagine.

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

It’s gross.

Zelensky probably had like a 15 hour trip.

Just to get bullied and ambushed by Vance and Trump.

It's much worse than that.

At this rate, Trump will get Zelensky killed.

Don't forget that Zelensky's head is on the chopping block.

Part of Trump's deal with Putin will probably included giving Putin Zelensky's corpse.

You better believe that Putin wants to make a ceremonial example out of Zelensky. Zelensky still being alive and admired as a hero around the world is a direct insult to Putin's sense of power.

Putin's aim is to do to Zelensky what he did to Nevalny. And Trump will facilitate it.

Edited 5 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Etherial Cat]

Trump is admirative of Putin and vibes with him more than he does with EU liberal democracies.

The wish of Ukraine to be part of that block is of no interest to him.

Beside, he is salty Danemark won't give them Greenland and that France and Germany told him they would respond to a military invasion.

Also, Vance's message in Munich was clear - he wants to turn the continent into the same facist kakistocracy as what we are seeing currently in the US. 

They operate like a mafia who found out a working marketing formula to seize power, and want to export it there too.

The lunatic gaslighting talking points about how the EU has shitty free speech rules were nothing but a request for us to let them spread their zombie turning desinformation propaganda to start seizing more effectively power here.

The EU tonight is in a terrible position. Two huninged autocrate bullies to deal with, that want to undermine it's structure and are a direct menace to its autonomy.

The issue being that the EU is not fully independent and is more akin to an american semi-protectorate. 

From a hard power perspective, the US has half a foot within. Multiple strategic attack vector that can't be repelled because the EU has been blindly counting on the EU/US allieship (or perhaps to be more accurate, being strategically corrupted by 80 years of US expensionist imperialism). Now it's all over the continent shocked pikachu face at the realization that this lack of boundaries might turn sour. Until last year, you'd have been laughed at for even mentioning the danger of this position. 

Russia... Where to start? I am not even sure what to say about it. Not to get into the minutia of its politics, it can be summed up as a dystopian nation with a non stop track record of horrible autocratic governement/adminisations mishandling its population.

The constant feedback I got from my russian buddies is "we are never going back there". It's a stage red/blue country and all european nations that have a border with it compares it with the Wall in GOT lol. The others are relieved that there is a buffer country in between that have to deal with them. 

In either case, the current US administration and Russia operate through the same paradigm. Can defend yourself? No? So you are mine to exploit til oblivion.

Don't get me wrong. European nations are also exploitative both internationally and domestically.

It's just that they are after what was guarantying a minimum of human right decency and this alone is really worth preserving.

[PurpleTree]

14 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Trump is admirative of Putin and vibes with him more than he does with EU liberal democracies.

The wish of Ukraine to be part of that block is of no interest to him.

Beside, he is salty Danemark won't give them Greenland and that France and Germany told him they would respond to a military invasion.

Also, Vance's message in Munich was clear - he wants to turn the continent into the same facist kakistocracy as what we are seeing currently in the US. 

They operate like a mafia who found out a working marketing formula to seize power, and want to export it there too.

The lunatic gaslighting talking points about how the EU has shitty free speech rules were nothing but a request for us to let them spread their zombie turning desinformation propaganda to start seizing more effectively power here.

The EU tonight is in a terrible position. Two huninged autocrate bullies to deal with, that want to undermine it's structure and are a direct menace to its autonomy.

The issue being that the EU is not fully independent and is more akin to an american semi-protectorate. 

From a hard power perspective, the US has half a foot within. Multiple strategic attack vector that can't be repelled because the EU has been blindly counting on the EU/US allieship (or perhaps to be more accurate, being strategically corrupted by 80 years of US expensionist imperialism). Now it's all over the continent shocked pikachu face at the realization that this lack of boundaries might turn sour. Until last year, you'd have been laughed at for even mentioning the danger of this position. 

Russia... Where to start? I am not even sure what to say about it. Not to get into the minutia of its politics, it can be summed up as a dystopian nation with a non stop track record of horrible autocratic governement/adminisations mishandling its population.

The constant feedback I got from my russian buddies is "we are never going back there". It's a stage red/blue country and all european nations that have a border with it compares it with the Wall in GOT lol. The others are relieved that there is a buffer country in between that have to deal with them. 

In either case, the current US administration and Russia operate through the same paradigm. Can defend yourself? No? So you are mine to exploit til oblivion.

Don't get me wrong. European nations are also exploitative both internationally and domestically.

It's just that they are after what was guarantying a minimum of human right decency and this alone is really worth preserving.

Very true.

There are a few good things also.

For example that France has kept some autonomy militarily etc.

That the UK is stuck in Europe (with some nukes)

That Poland and Nordics are taking it seriously and building a bigger military.

Then with things like AI, space and so on. Europe needs capable partners like Japan, India etc.

The problem is things are moving too quickly and the EU is quite slow and Europe needs to act fast.

Edited 3 hours ago by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

Zelensky went to Fox news after the ambush 

Good move

[Yimpa]

Stop mispelling his name, it’s Zelenskyy with two y’s!!

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Stop mispelling his name, it’s Zelenskyy with two y’s!!

I refuse to write words with two y's. That's not a real word.

Those Ukrainians just don't understand how English works.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Etherial Cat]

28 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Very true.

There are a few good things also.

For example that France has kept some autonomy militarily etc.

That the UK is stuck in Europe (with some nukes)

That Poland and Nordics are taking it seriously and building a bigger military.

Then with things like AI, space and so on. Europe needs capable partners like Japan, India etc.

The problem is things are moving too quickly and the EU is quite slow and Europe needs to act fast.

Yeah.

Basically, there is a need for a totally new military strategy. Can't comment on what it would entail because all I could do is Dunning-Krugering with my level of ignorance at what the current game would look like. It's just so beyond the scope of what the average citizen can fathom cause defense is so interdisciplinary, and that is even more true if you add on top of it all the top secret knowledge etc.

Yesterday, I was sitting on a lecture of AI and data protection, and was contemplating how much danger the current situation we were in represented. And it's just ONE aspect of modern warfare.

That said, I think it is safe to say that Charles de Gaulle is the reason why the EU has got just enough dissuasive power not to be potentially mercilessly gobbled up at the first tantrum.

Without France's arsenal, we'd be all  absolutely hopelessly cooked.

Canadians are currently shaking because they actually don't hold nuke themselves. The US look and talk to them like a thirsty rapist that is angry at hearing "no". Gross times!

 

 

[Vibes]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I refuse to write words with two y's. That's not a real word.

Those Ukrainians just don't understand how English works.

Btw

We should all start writing trump with lower case t as a sign of disrespect and scorn.

Edited 2 hours ago by Vibes