Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

Republicans have control of congress since the last election.

And they support Ukraine.

[Hatfort]

6 hours ago, Elliott said:

And they support Ukraine.

No, the Republican congressmen support Trump, who is the Republican Party's indisputable leader. There is no way they are going to support Zelensky over Trump.

Trump smelled some corporate mineral agro deal opportunity and tried to pull something out, I don't think that part is going to work though, fortunately for what's left for Ukraine. He is also trying to exchange some kind of breakup between China and Russia, that's not going to go through either, these two countries have agreements that mutually benefit them. Trump can accept Putin's territorial terms and the ones concerning NATO or not, but what does he earn by continuing to send money to Ukraine? That's the thing, there's nothing to gain anymore, only loss. In the unlikely scenario Trump continues sending money to Ukraine, then the attrition war continues.

Zelensky has tried to pull some kind of card, mostly directed to the media, which is a card too, but it's not going to work. He generously offered his resignation, in exchange for a NATO membership for Ukraine. That's off the table, Russia will continue to fight for that, as they've done to this day.

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Hatfort said:

No, the Republican congressmen support Trump, who is the Republican Party's indisputable leader. There is no way they are going to support Zelensky over Trump.

Trump smelled some corporate mineral agro deal opportunity and tried to pull something out, I don't think that part is going to work though, fortunately for what's left for Ukraine. He is also trying to exchange some kind of breakup between China and Russia, that's not going to go through either, these two countries have agreements that mutually benefit them. Trump can accept Putin's territorial terms and the ones concerning NATO or not, but what does he earn by continuing to send money to Ukraine? That's the thing, there's nothing to gain anymore, only loss. In the unlikely scenario Trump continues sending money to Ukraine, then the attrition war continues.

Zelensky has tried to pull some kind of card, mostly directed to the media, which is a card too, but it's not going to work. He generously offered his resignation, in exchange for a NATO membership for Ukraine. That's off the table, Russia will continue to fight for that, as they've done to this day.

Are we just making stuff up now

 

trendsnewsline.com

https://trendsnewsline.com

Thune Supports Graham’s $48B Ukraine Aid in Senate Budget Bill

5 days ago · The decision to support Ukraine may influence future U.S. foreign policy, particularly in relation to Russia and other geopolitical challenges. Conclusion. In

[Hatfort]

10 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Are we just making stuff up now

 

trendsnewsline.com

https://trendsnewsline.com

Thune Supports Graham’s $48B Ukraine Aid in Senate Budget Bill

5 days ago · The decision to support Ukraine may influence future U.S. foreign policy, particularly in relation to Russia and other geopolitical challenges. Conclusion. In

I have not made up anything, I make an analysis based on the information I've got. I don't see anything about what you say in your link, and I didn't find anything about that anywhere either.

If the aid continues, it's possible the war does too, I'm not going to dispute that.

But reading the room, the diplomatic relations between the US and Ukraine have deteriorated, the US and Russia are talking, and even Zelensky is making offers about his resignation. Things point out that the war is coming to an end sooner than later.

[Elliott]

22 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

I have not made up anything, I make an analysis based on the information I've got. I don't see anything about what you say in your link, and I didn't find anything about that anywhere either.

If the aid continues, it's possible the war does too, I'm not going to dispute that.

But reading the room, the diplomatic relations between the US and Ukraine have deteriorated, the US and Russia are talking, and even Zelensky is making offers about his resignation. Things point out that the war is coming to an end sooner than later.

https://trendsnewsline.com/2025/02/19/thune-supports-grahams-48b-ukraine-aid-in-senate-budget-bill/

 

those are the republican leaders in Senate, house only has a 2 seat majority so democrats only need 3 Republicans to vote with them and most republicans support ukraine.

Edited February 24 by Elliott

[Hatfort]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

https://trendsnewsline.com/2025/02/19/thune-supports-grahams-48b-ukraine-aid-in-senate-budget-bill/

 

those are the republican leaders in Senate, house only has a 2 seat majority.

Okay, I stand corrected about the aid, since that was 5 days ago. Yet, I don't see this going on much longer, considering all other factors, but it's a possibility it does for now, with this huge amount of money going through.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Okay, I stand corrected about the aid, since that was 5 days ago. Yet, I don't see this going on much longer, considering all other factors, but it's a possibility it does for now, with this huge amount of money going through.

Russia is America's number 1 enemy, even under trump his first term they constantly did cyber attacks on us and put bounties on our troops heads in Iraq during trumps first term.

[cistanche_enjoyer]

What do you guys think would be the best case outcome of this war?

In the end, isn’t the most important thing that innocent people stop dying in trenches? 

[Elliott]

55 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

What do you guys think would be the best case outcome of this war?

In the end, isn’t the most important thing that innocent people stop dying in trenches? 

Russia will never stop killing until Putin is gone. It's Georgia next, Moldova, Azerbaijan, just as Putin did with Chechnya. Putin is a rabid dog. Just give the bully your lunch money and he'll never bother you again right.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings

"proven.[14] A number of historians and investigative journalists have instead called the bombings a false flag attack perpetrated by Russian state security services to win public support for a new war in Chechnya and to boost the popularity of Vladimir Putin prior to the upcoming presidential"

Edited February 24 by Elliott

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

What do you guys think would be the best case outcome of this war?

Best outcome?

Probably that Putin gets ousted, Russia chills out and Ukraine gets under some nuclear umbrella which grants peace longer term. And then can develop its country economy and rare earth minerals.

[Leo Gura]

Repubs are too spineless to be counted on now. They are Trump zombies.

[Leo Gura]

8 hours ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

What do you guys think would be the best case outcome of this war?

In the end, isn’t the most important thing that innocent people stop dying in trenches? 

If Putin got to keep some Ukraine territory but Ukraine got solid security guarantees from US and EU, with troops and arms to prevent a second Putin invasion. But Putin probably won't agree to this because without war his position at home will be weak.

Edited February 24 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If Putin got to keep some Ukraine territory but Ukraine got solid security guarantees from US and EU, with troops and arms to prevent a second Putin invasion. But Putin probably won't agree to this because without war his position at home will be weak.

Putin is a dictator and there isn’t much revolt in Russia before the war. His position won’t be that weak if the war ends especially considering how much the economy will improve if all the soldiers can go back to the workforce and the sanctions are gone.

The problem is Putins dream was for Russia and Ukraine to be like Canada and the US, essentially the same people who freely travel between. If Ukraine remains as a state that’s out the window as they will hate Russia and be paranoid of them for a long time. So he’s going to weigh if it’s worth it to keep going and try and occupy more or all of Ukraine over time to end up closer to his dream since this may be a chance to make major gains as a US admin that is less dedicated to Ukraine is in charge for the next four years.

Edited February 24 by Raze

[Vynce]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If Putin got to keep some Ukraine territory but Ukraine got solid security guarantees from US and EU, with troops and arms to prevent a second Putin invasion. But Putin probably won't agree to this because without war his position at home will be weak.

Actually Putin has little incentive to end this war, because the entire country runs on "war settings". This includes that thousand of engineers, doctors and scientist have changed their profession to anything war related. Which was a huge cost and would inflict further grudge amongst civilians. 

But in the end, many say that Russians deal with a lot of misery before they'd stand up. So Putin is probably save. 

[puporing]

25 minutes ago, Raze said:

Putins dream was for Russia and Ukraine to be like Canada and the US, essentially the same people who freely travel between. 

Nah, it's not so "rosy", that might be a propaganda line.

I think he was fundamentally very threatened because Ukraine was ideologically very different from him. Similar thing with the US/Canada dynamic. Donald Trump feels very threatened by Canadian leaders since they challenge his credibility. And so the more someone feels threatened ideologically, the more they will try to use force to quash it.

Putin basically wanted the democratic regime to be gone. It's not really about the people or even territory in my opinion, those are secondary/symbolic. It's fundamentally to quash the democratic movement, which either means that people either submit to his demands, or face invasion.

Edited February 24 by puporing

[Raze]

31 minutes ago, puporing said:

Nah, it's not so "rosy", that might be a propaganda line.

I think he was fundamentally very threatened because Ukraine was ideologically very different from him. Similar thing with the US/Canada dynamic. Donald Trump feels very threatened by Canadian leaders since they challenge his credibility. And so the more someone feels threatened ideologically, the more they will try to use force to quash it.

Putin basically wanted the democratic regime to be gone. It's not really about the people or even territory in my opinion, those are secondary/symbolic. It's fundamentally to quash the democratic movement, which either means that people either submit to his demands, or face invasion.

He wasn’t aggressive when Ukraine had a leader who wanted to maintain neutrality 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Its a catastrophe that Ukraine has to secede land, that's my biggest worry.

[puporing]

It's not really just about Ukraine anymore. The dictators are joining forces. 

 

[PurpleTree]

Reporter: Trump would you call Putin a dictator?

Trump: No. I don’t use that word lightly.

Edited February 24 by PurpleTree

[Rafael Thundercat]

Found  this amazing Book about History  of Ukraine " Title " The Gates of Europe" by Serhii Plokhy. 

Full of Maps and seems very well based.

Here is a review by Caspian Report