Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[Elliott]

@Hatfort are you a socialist?

Edited Sunday at 12:33 AM by Elliott

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You believe those numbers?

Logically Putin would have much more acceptation because Russia is winning the war and achieving a strong position, and zelenski would be hated because Ukraine is in ruin and will be defeated. 

[Hatfort]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Good, because most people don't including the people that look over elections internationally.

Yeah sure, what a surprise, the Western media apparatus not believing the elections where their puppets don't win. Putin won because he confronted an external hostile coalition against Russia, and is winning the war against Ukraine.

[Hatfort]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

@Hatfort are you a socialist?

Yeah, kind of a social-democrat, I would say. Are you a socialist?

[Basman]

On 14/02/2025 at 7:45 PM, PurpleTree said:

Some of you guys clearly enjoy consuming lots and lots of Ruski propaganda.

I can't muster the energy to deal with the obvious lies and bluster filling up this thread. I don't understand why there are so many pro-Russian trolls on this forum. And people who have been here for years as well. Is this brainrot?

[Basman]

If you are going to argue from a Russian perspective, at least don't lie, twist facts and exaggerate half-truths. Leo seemed to argue for a Russian perspective without relying on propaganda but later seemed to change his mind. The prevalence of lies makes me suspect that the truth doesn't paint Russia in a good picture ultimately.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Basman said:

I can't muster the energy to deal with the obvious lies and bluster filling up this thread. I don't understand why there are so many pro-Russian trolls on this forum. And people who have been here for years as well. Is this brainrot?

My guess is that is that people in the „spiritual“ or whatever community are quite very susceptible to Russian or anti westenr propaganda. We are also not immune of course to western or anti western propaganda. But what i find so cute about these Russian brainrots (similar with Maga etc) is that they are extremely critical of the western narrative. Yet extremely gullible for the Russian or anti western narrative. At least question everything if you‘re so „deep“ or whatever. It’s comical. Putin was kgb you‘re getting played useful idiots.

[Basman]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

My guess is that is that people in the „spiritual“ or whatever community are quite very susceptible to Russian or anti westenr propaganda. We are also not immune of course to western or anti western propaganda. But what i find so cute about these Russian brainrots (similar with Maga etc) is that they are extremely critical of the western narrative. Yet extremely gullible for the Russian or anti western narrative. At least question everything if you‘re so „deep“ or whatever. It’s comical. Putin was kgb you‘re getting played useful idiots.

I feel like there is a strain of anti-western sentiment on this forum and I believe its in part because they see western hegemony as an tyrannical bully that dominates everyone. There are critiques to be had of how western society and the US in particular conduct themselves but the irony in supporting blatantly authoritarian and anti-democratic states assuming they value peace and freedom. Just the word "western hegemony" is like a trigger for these sleeper agents.

I honestly think the reputational damage that the war on terror had has embittered certain people with the west in general and what it stands for, despite probably enjoying many of its fruits. The fact that they can at all criticize the government while propping up an adversary is telling, assuming they live in a western country. They be on a list or in jail if they where blatantly pro-America while living in Russia/China.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Basman said:

I feel like there is a strain of anti-western sentiment on this forum and I believe its in part because they see western hegemony as an tyrannical bully that dominates everyone. There are critiques to be had of how western society and the US in particular conduct themselves but the irony in supporting blatantly authoritarian and anti-democratic states assuming they value peace and freedom. Just the word "western hegemony" is like a trigger for these sleeper agents.

I honestly think the reputational damage that the war on terror had has embittered certain people with the west in general and what it stands for, despite probably enjoying many of its fruits. The fact that they can at all criticize the government while propping up an adversary is telling, assuming they live in a western country. They be on a list or in jail if they where blatantly pro-America while living in Russia/China.

I mean yea i agree. I personally think many Westerners and especially Americans should be in jail for war crimes etc. But to then think Putin and Xi etc. are somehow better or not as bad is comical to me. And yea i‘d much rather live in a place with freedom of speech.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Basman said:

They be on a list or in jail if they where blatantly pro-America while living in Russia/China.

And why does that matter? A government being authoritarian does not automatically make its positions wrong. Their internal authoritarianism is their internal issue, it doesn’t mean they are automatically on the wrong side of every foreign policy issue.

[Basman]

32 minutes ago, Raze said:

And why does that matter? A government being authoritarian does not automatically make its positions wrong. Their internal authoritarianism is their internal issue, it doesn’t mean they are automatically on the wrong side of every foreign policy issue.

That's besides the point. The aggressive bias and supposed hypocricy makes it hard to take them seriously.

Its categorically an unjust war from the Russian perspective, which is why there are so many lies I believe. Russia doesn't have the moral high-ground in this situation, thus the need to bullshit one's way into the hearts and minds of people. 

[Basman]

52 minutes ago, Raze said:

Their internal authoritarianism is their internal issue...

This is perverse. This is exactly what I mean by twisting facts. Authoritarian countries like Russia want to impose their style of domination on other countries. The threat of Russian invasion is perpetual in East-Europe. Its only because of detterence that Russia isn't being more aggressive. Its exactly why Poland is aiming to become the biggest military in East-Europe and why new member-states keep joining NATO. 

Just the fact that Ukraine was invaded after Russia already officially aknowledged Ukraine as a sovereign nation since '91 disproves this statement.

Edited Sunday at 04:23 AM by Basman

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Basman said:

Just the fact that Ukraine was invaded after Russia already officially aknowledged Ukraine as a sovereign nation since '91 disproves this statement.

12 hours ago, Elliott said:

@Hatfort a

It's difficult to talk with people that are not interested in the facts. 

Ukraine was bombing the Russian population of the Dombass daily since 2014, the US has promoted this and armed the Ukrainian army, it has built 5 virus laboratories near the Russian border, and the last step was going to be to deliver nuclear weapons to Ukraine. In Ukraine 30% of the population is Russian, in Crimea 70%. all ukrainians speak russian. Poland has nothing to do with Ukraine, I am not pro-Russian, I am only interested in the truth . I prefer democracy, but something so fraglant and evil like the American attitude to promote this war must be showed. 

Why the dug addicted son of Biden was a director of the main gas company in Ukraine? Is that normal? Why Biden was against the Nord stream2? It's his business? Why? It's a deal between Russia and Germany? Why they destroyed the pipe, the biggest submarine structure built by humans in history, just in the moment that this war started? What else do you need?  Seriously 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:44 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

Another thing that the simple people say: are you communist? Are you pro Russia? Is Putin your relative? Listen this: even for you it's impossible and incomprehensible, there are people who prioritize the truth. Others are from their team and cheer them on with flags so they can win. They are called false people. The intelligent ones are not part of a team, they are neutral, they observe and value, not depending on whether it benefits them or not, that is what the fake ones do. only the truth, not your team. do you understand it? It's a very complicated concept, but you can if you want

[Breakingthewall]

Look the millionaire actor, making photo session for vogue while is sending young people to death every day. What is that? A joke? Maybe he should go to fight a week, just to see what is that

 

Edited Sunday at 01:09 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Read that, is not clear enough? This was 2014. From then EEUU  has not stopped pushing, using Ukraine as a breaking point to destabilize Europe. Nuland said it very clear: fuck the UE. What else do you need? Why the Biden administration is so involved in the politics of Ukraine? It's so involved in the politics of Poland? No right? Why? 

Edited Sunday at 01:26 PM by Breakingthewall

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's difficult to talk with people that are not interested in the facts. 

Ukraine was bombing the Russian population of the Dombass daily since 2014, the US has promoted this and armed the Ukrainian army, it has built 5 virus laboratories near the Russian border, and the last step was going to be to deliver nuclear weapons to Ukraine. In Ukraine 30% of the population is Russian, in Crimea 70%. all ukrainians speak russian. Poland has nothing to do with Ukraine, I am not pro-Russian, I am only interested in the truth . I prefer democracy, but something so fraglant and evil like the American attitude to promote this war must be showed. 

Why the dug addicted son of Biden was a director of the main gas company in Ukraine? Is that normal? Why Biden was against the Nord stream2? It's his business? Why? It's a deal between Russia and Germany? Why they destroyed the pipe, the biggest submarine structure built by humans in history, just in the moment that this war started? What else do you need?  Seriously 

 

American chauvinism isn't enough to justify invading a sovereign nation. Donbass is Ukrainian and the shelling is part of the war against Russian backed separatists. Poland's main security threat is Russia, like the rest of East-Europe, and has a vested interested in halting and deterring Russian aggression.

Its good to question American interests and bias but you don't seem do the same for Russian bias, who are as a matter of fact less developed, more brutal, more mafia, corrupt and "evil" than America. Directly targeting civilians and rape is part of Russian war strategy. Try to justify that in the context of invasion after Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum in '94, agreeing to never threaten Ukrainian sovereignty.

[Basman]

I doubt Putin originally wanted to get bogged down in war and thought an invasion of Ukraine would be another Crimea. A quick and clean deposition of the Ukrainian government. War is rarely ever a "quicky" but different nations and people keep making this assumption before going into war.

[Ero]

Zelensky has some balls. The neo-colonial orange clown thought he could do whatever. The credibility of the US is evaporating like a snowman in the Sahara.

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Ero said:

Zelensky has some balls. The neo-colonial orange clown thought he could do whatever. The credibility of the US is evaporating like a snowman in the Sahara.

What, the socialists on here told me he's a complete sellout to the U.S..

Socialists, did Putin buy Zelensky yesterday?