Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

First of all, counting since February 2022, it's 3 years. You don't even realize how much you mold the reality to fit your wishes. It's as ridiculous as your predictions of the collapse of the Russian regime or the false casualty numbers the Western propaganda machine has been sprouting since day one, like that would win them the war, instead of efficiency on the battlefield.

 

I said Putin would likely be overthrown, that would be the end of the war. There's no reason Russia would be concerned about NATO unless their intention is to control Ukraine, Putin himself publicly stated for years that Ukraine was to be under Russia.

 

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Russia has the main objective of kicking the intentions of NATO about Ukraine away, not taking the whole of Ukraine, but the amount of land it will grab will depend on how far they make them go. The trend is very favorable for them, they are winning, and can continue doing so, that's why they won't settle for any less than the four territories they've already almost taken. But if the West and their puppet want to continue, it will be more. Ukraine is never getting back what they've lost.

That's demonstrably false, Russias first incursion was for Kyiv, of which your elite military failed miserably against sleeping Ukraine.

You don't understand modern warfare, there's no need to sacrifice Ukrainians to keep Russia from advancing as slow as they are, Defensive positions are better for wars of attrition, not offensive like Russia is doing, you can see it in their losses.

 

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Edited Saturday at 07:10 PM by Elliott

[Hatfort]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

I said Putin would likely be overthrown, that would be the end of the war. There's no reason Russia would be concerned about NATO unless their intention is to control Ukraine, Putin himself publicly stated for years that Ukraine was to be under Russia.

 

That's demonstrably false, Russias first incursion was for Kyiv, of which your elite military failed miserably against sleeping Ukraine.

 

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Putin just won overwhelmingly the Russian elections, in the middle of the war, he has the popular support for what he is doing because they see what the Western coalitions have been trying to do to them, and they are happy about the favorable result for their country in the field. The one who has not ratified what he is doing is Zelensky, if they had a chance of winning the war, he would have the support, but people are not blind to the reality. At this point they want this madness to stop and not die, because it's a lost cause anyway.

Putin gave a speech about the historic relation of Russia and Ukraine, by an historic perspective you can rationalize any border you want in any conflict, who cares. The thing is, Ukraine's journey, starting from a coup in 2014, the continuous Western military presence, and the blatant unwillingness to abide by two peace accords signed in Minsk, Putin finally opted for the war, they gave him the excuse. There was almost an accord to end it as soon as it began, which the West rejected, because they foresaw that a war would weaken Russia to an inevitable collapse. It didn't. There have been more peace offers since, each one worse than the previous for Ukraine, that's where we are, and how it's going to continue to be. In any case, it seems the peace deals will be happening this time.

[Elliott]

15 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Putin just won overwhelmingly the Russian elections, in the middle of the war, he has the popular support for what he is doing because they see what the Western coalitions have been trying to do to them, and they are happy about the favorable result for their country in the field. The one who has not ratified what he is doing is Zelensky, if they had a chance of winning the war, he would have the support, but people are not blind to the reality. At this point they want this madness to stop and not die, because it's a lost cause anyway.

Putin gave a speech about the historic relation of Russia and Ukraine, by an historic perspective you can rationalize any border you want in any conflict, who cares. The thing is, Ukraine's journey, starting from a coup in 2014, the continuous Western military presence, and the blatant unwillingness to abide by two peace accords signed in Minsk, Putin finally opted for the war, they gave him the excuse. There was almost an accord to end it as soon as it began, which the West rejected, because they foresaw that a war would weaken Russia to an inevitable collapse. It didn't. There have been more peace offers since, each one worse than the previous for Ukraine, that's where we are, and how it's going to continue to be. In any case, it seems the peace deals will be happening this time.

If that were true you would just see defections from Ukraines military to Russia and the war would be over, you see the opposite. Nothing you post makes sense past basic critical thinking. What does zelensky have to gain from losing a war as you say is imminent, while just needing to pull back from nato to end the war.

Edited Saturday at 07:40 PM by Elliott

[Hatfort]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

If that were true you would just see defections from Ukraines military to Russia and the war would be over, you see the opposite. Nothing you post makes sense past basic critical thinking. What does zelensky have to gain from losing a war as you say is imminent, while just needing to pull back from nato to end the war.

Yes, seems the war will be over soon, this is unsustainable. If the Trump cabinet keeps flushing money, it will take longer, the outcome will only be worse for Ukraine.

Zelensky is an unintelligent puppet playing the role of his life, filling his endless money sack from what the West is sending there, and like him a lot more in his cabinet. Even being a puppet, at some point he should have stepped up for the people in his country, and tell the West enough is enough, end this madness, and sign a peace accord with his bigger neighbor for good. He has probably part of his brain damaged for excess of cocaine.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Elliott said:

that only gained 1% last year,

If that were true in the West there would not be talk about the need for an agreement. It is obvious that the West is indifferent to Ukrainian casualties. If west talk about agreement it is because Russia is advancing at an increasingly faster pace.

You can't believe a single word the news says, not even remotely. Only logical deductions have any value, and by logic, if the United States withdraws its support and speaks about the need of an agreement, it is because the war is lost.

Edited Saturday at 07:54 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

Colonel Douglas McGregor, a former Pentagon advisor and retired U.S. Army colonel, has expressed a clear perspective on the pace of the Russian advance in recent months. According to McGregor, **Russia has already won the war in Ukraine**, and the main question is not whether Russian forces can advance further west, but whether they want to and how far they will go.

McGregor highlights that the Russian advance has been significant, particularly in the Donetsk region, where Russian troops have captured several key locations, such as Ugledar in October 2024 and Kurakhovo in January 2025. This progress has allowed Russia to increase pressure on strategic cities like Velikaya Novoselka and Chasov Yar, where fighting has been intense and prolonged.

Additionally, McGregor points out that the pace of the Russian advance accelerated in the second half of 2024, with 56.5% of territorial gains occurring between September and November of that year. This progress has been supported by a strategy that avoids direct urban combat whenever possible, reducing Russian losses and enabling more sustained advances.

In summary, McGregor believes that the Russian advance is unstoppable and that the conflict has entered a phase where Russia holds the initiative, with the ability to decide when and where to stop.

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

9 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Yes, seems the war will be over soon, this is unsustainable. If the Trump cabinet keeps flushing money, it will take longer, the outcome will only be worse for Ukraine.

Zelensky is an unintelligent puppet playing the role of his life, filling his endless money sack from what the West is sending there, and like him a lot more in his cabinet. Even being a puppet, at some point he should have stepped up for the people in his country, and tell the West enough is enough, end this madness, and sign a peace accord with his bigger neighbor for good. He has probably part of his brain damaged for excess of cocaine.

 

Ukrainian troops are going to choose to die for the u.s., ya right.

Critical thinking please, not only would troops defect, Zelensky is easy to overthrow.

[Elliott]

@Breakingthewall

You can see the line on satelite images.

 

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[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Elliott said:

 

Ukrainian troops are going to choose to die for the u.s., ya right.

Critical thinking please, not only would troops defect, Zelensky is easy to overthrow.

There has been strong anti-Russian nationalism in Ukraine for centuries. Ukraine supported Hitler in the Second World War, it was subjected to starvation by Stalin in the Holodomor, Crimea was given to it by Khrushchev to strengthen ties, but the hatred of Russia is entrenched and deep. The United States has seen that heat and has poured gasoline year after year until it created this fire. There are many Ukrainian fanatics willing to die, obviously. The result is that Ukraine no longer exists. 

The picture above is the azov battalion, the military that has been bombing the russian population of dombass since 2014. have you heard about that war in the news?

  

Edited Saturday at 08:11 PM by Breakingthewall

[Hatfort]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Ukrainian troops are going to choose to die for the u.s., ya right.

Critical thinking please, not only would troops defect, Zelensky is easy to overthrow.

Some are rightwing nationalist nazis, those are on the second fronts. Some reacted against Russia when the invasion started, like it's normal, most are now trapped in an impossible situation, they try to escape, dessert, or surrender. Ukraine is a de facto fascist regime that persecutes any dissidence to this nonsensical war. The morale is under the ground.

What you gotta stop your thinking based on your wishes instead of the reality. The evidence is overwhelming, Russia is winning on the battlefield and advancing faster, there's no way Ukraine can reclaim what it lost, Russia has the support of its people, and it restructured its economy to its BRICS partners successfully. This is done, the longer it gets, the worse for Ukraine.

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There has been strong anti-Russian nationalism in Ukraine for centuries. Ukraine supported Hitler in the Second World War, it was subjected to starvation by Stalin in the Holodomor, Crimea was given to it by Khrushchev to strengthen ties, but the hatred of Russia is entrenched and deep. The United States has seen that heat and has poured gasoline year after year until it created this fire. There are many Ukrainian fanatics willing to die, obviously. The result is that Ukraine no longer exists. 

The picture above is the azov battalion, the military that has been bombing the russian population of dombass since 2014. have you heard about that war in the news?

  

Maybe watch less Ruski propaganda?

[Elliott]

16 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Some are rightwing nationalist nazis, those are on the second fronts. Some reacted against Russia when the invasion started, like it's normal, most are now trapped in an impossible situation, they try to escape, dessert, or surrender. Ukraine is a de facto fascist regime that persecutes any dissidence to this nonsensical war. The morale is under the ground.

What you gotta stop your thinking based on your wishes instead of the reality. The evidence is overwhelming, Russia is winning on the battlefield and advancing faster, there's no way Ukraine can reclaim what it lost, Russia has the support of its people, and it restructured its economy to its BRICS partners successfully. This is done, the longer it gets, the worse for Ukraine.

How is zelensky not overthrown then? Your scenario is nonsensical.

Edited Saturday at 08:30 PM by Elliott

[Hatfort]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

How is zelensky not overthrown then? Your scenario is completely nonsensical.

Because he holds the power, he controls the military apparatus, the money that's getting in, and kicks out any opposing voice. Common people can't fight against that. The question is, if he has such a huge popular support, why doesn't he ratify it in elections he is already supposed to hold in what is now an expired term. Because he would lose them, people don't want to die to fight for an Eastern territory that they know it's gone for good. He won't ask because he knows the answer.

[Elliott]

18 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

Because he holds the power, he controls the military apparatus, the money that's getting in, and kicks out any opposing voice. Common people can't fight against that. The question is, if he has such a huge popular support, why doesn't he ratify it in elections he is already supposed to hold in what is now an expired term. Because he would lose them, people don't want to die to fight for an Eastern territory that they know it's gone for good. He won't ask because he knows the answer.

He would be assassinated, easily. These soldiers are dying, they would marter themselves.

You can't logistically have an election.

Edited Saturday at 08:50 PM by Elliott

[Hatfort]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

He would be assassinated, easily. These soldiers are dying, they would marter themselves.

You can't logistically have an election.

You can only defend an impossible position with hypotheticals and imposed limitations. What you gotta do is read the reality and observe the trends. Ukraine has zero chance of winning this war, all they are doing is dying in vain. Which is why it seems it's coming to an end finally.

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

You can only defend an impossible position with hypotheticals and imposed limitations. What you gotta do is read the reality and observe the trends. Ukraine has zero chance of winning this war, all they are doing is dying in vain. Which is why it seems it's coming to an end finally.

Trump was almost assassinated twice in the u.s. with no war. Zelensky is surrounded by people that would kill him if you were right., has there been any attempt even.

Edited Saturday at 09:02 PM by Elliott

[Breakingthewall]

35 minutes ago, Elliott said:

How is zelensky not overthrown then? Your scenario is nonsensical.

Zelenski is just a puppet, lacks real power. He is a comic actor who came to power as a joke. Whoever has power in Ukraine is an absolutely corrupt Nazi oligarchy who is now a millionaire and will have a golden retirement in the south of Spain or wherever they choose. Before Zelensky, Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and right now it is much more so.

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Zelenski is just a puppet, lacks real power. He is a comic actor who came to power as a joke. Whoever has power in Ukraine is an absolutely corrupt Nazi oligarchy who is now a millionaire and will have a golden retirement in the south of Spain or wherever they choose. Before Zelensky, Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and right now it is much more so.

So, easy to overthrow or be bought by Russia.

Edited Saturday at 09:06 PM by Elliott

[Breakingthewall]

45 minutes ago, Elliott said:

How is zelensky not overthrown then? Your scenario is nonsensical.

Did you know that after the 2014 coup d'état, the new government elevated Stephan Bandera, architect of the Jewish holocaust in Ukraine, to the rank of national hero?

[Hatfort]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Trump was almost assassinated twice in the u.s. with no war. Zelensky is surrounded by people that would kill him if you were right., has there been any attempt even.

No, he is not surrounded by people who would kill him, he has certainly a very well-paid security apparatus surrounding him 24-7. He kicks out any opposing voice to this war, he is a de facto dictator. He is corrupt to the bone for the money that's coming from the West to finance this war, and all around him are as dirty as him as well. A part of the population is with him, the most Nazi nationalist ones, those are the ones that get to the top. Common people are trapped in this madness, it has to stop.