Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[PurpleTree]

Protests in Slovakia against pro Russian government.

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Trump bullshitng on X about how if he was President this war would not happen. This guy is a joke

https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1889720462151917756?t=B992BEyj99abBfjh5tm9Tw&s=19

 

[PurpleTree]

It’s sad the US basically betrayed Ukraine. Let’s see what happens. Ukraine somehow getting nukes is almost their only hope imo. (which is very unlikely)
 

 

Edited February 13 by PurpleTree

[Rafael Thundercat]

Zelenski need to "Negociate the Peace" as the news say, whatever that means. This shit will not end well. 

[Breakingthewall]

Ukraine has done an excellent business with all this, and the heroic Zelensky, the tough one, is a great benefactor who has brought Ukraine to supreme happiness. especially for those faces that he makes between serious, sad but at the same time determined, masculine in fair measure, in short, heroic. I would fuck him. 

poor Ukrainians, they have been laughed at, exploiting their nationalism. They don't understand that there are sharks in the world, and if you are a stupid fish, you are devoured

 

Edited February 14 by Breakingthewall

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ukraine has done an excellent business with all this, and the heroic Zelensky, the tough one, is a great benefactor who has brought Ukraine to supreme happiness. especially for those faces that he makes between serious, sad but at the same time determined, masculine in fair measure, in short, heroic. I would fuck him. 

poor Ukrainians, they have been laughed at, exploiting their nationalism. They don't understand that there are sharks in the world, and if you are a stupid fish, you are devoured

 

Hey man i just wanted to congratulate you on your funny jokes.

While Ukrainians are geting attacked in their country by Russia. And women, children and men are getting killed and maimed.

You make funny snarky jokey. It’s very cool. You are great my friend.

[Breakingthewall]

The United Kingdom, also known as the country that was the greatest empire of modernity and is now a pathetic joke, has said that Ukraine will join NATO. and that they support it. Ah, well, if they support it, then the Russians will go back to Russia and ask for forgiveness. They could do a comedy show with Zelensky as clowns. The problem is if you are Ukrainian and they send you to the slaughterhouse, that is less fun.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Hey man i just wanted to congratulate you on your funny jokes.

While Ukrainians are geting attacked in their country by Russia. And women, children and men are getting killed and maimed.

You make funny snarky jokey. It’s very cool. You are great my friend.

That happened due to a war that has been going on since 2014 that has never been talked about, which was the personal project of Biden and his vampire Blinken and the vampire Victoria Nuland to exploit Ukrainian nationalism by provoking war with Russia in order to weaken Russia and Germany and strengthen the United States. If you haven't realized that yet, you're a child.

[PurpleTree]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That happened due to a war that has been going on since 2014 that has never been talked about, which was the personal project of Biden and his vampire Blinken and the vampire Victoria Nuland to exploit Ukrainian nationalism by provoking war with Russia in order to weaken Russia and Germany and strengthen the United States. If you haven't realized that yet, you're a child.

Yea i just love your sense of humour. Such a class act. Maybe also make some jokes about the children in gaza that get blown to pieces. Very very funny stuff. Keep it up.

[Hatfort]

Ukrainian people want this to stop, they live in a de facto fascist country now, with the excuse of martial law. Any dissidence with Zelensky and his madness is a prison sentence at best. But that's better than going to a certain death in the grinder of the East. The USA and Europe have attempted to use Ukraine against Russia, this didn't start in 2022. What a shame to use other country's men to try to weaken a rival bigger than them in your place.

The chances for negotiations were many, everyone rejected by the West and the clown puppet. Thousands of deaths on both sides, much more on the Ukrainian side, we can see through the propaganda.

If there was a chance to win against Russia, Trump would take it too. There is not, there wasn't before either, the blood is in the old man's hands, Biden. This war should not have started, could have ended in 2023, or even last year the latest. So Trump is doing now what any sensitive person would have done sooner, face the reality as it is, and negotiate the peace terms with the winner of the war, which is Russia. The terms are not the same now than a year ago, two years ago, or when the war started, obviously.

The Democratic Party is totally highjacked by warmongers, they have outcompeted the Republicans, who are delighted by the situation that only favours them. Another approach is needed, more diplomacy, and competition with other countries making yourself better, not breaking the leg of the competitor, as this ice skater sportswoman did. That's America now, a sportsman who tries to win by breaking the leg of the competitor, instead of training, and being better in the race. Europe is just stupid and bought, there's no better example than what happened with the Nord Stream pipeline, which damaged its economy more than any other including Russia. This was done by the USA, their supposed allies, it wasn't Russia, neither Ukraine.

[PurpleTree]

Some of you guys clearly enjoy consuming lots and lots of Ruski propaganda.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Some of you guys clearly enjoy consuming lots and lots of Ruski propaganda.

No, what @Hatfort said is absolutely obvious. It's strange that people don't realize. Zelenski the macho warrior. Wasn't he a comic actor? It seems like a joke. people are so stupid that they swallow whatever they are given.

Look this picture, seems funny? 

[Breakingthewall]

45 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

no better example than what happened with the Nord Stream pipeline, which damaged its economy more than any other including Russia.

By some strange coincidence, Biden's drug-addicted son was a director of the largest Ukrainian gas company, Burisma. The Americans could not accept Nord Stream 2, and as soon as there was an excuse it was destroyed. The result is that Germany is in recession, but the US is not.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

Ukrainian people want this to stop, they live in a de facto fascist country now, with the excuse of martial law. Any dissidence with Zelensky and his madness is a prison sentence at best. But that's better than going to a certain death in the grinder of the East. The USA and Europe have attempted to use Ukraine against Russia, this didn't start in 2022. What a shame to use other country's men to try to weaken a rival bigger than them in your place.

The chances for negotiations were many, everyone rejected by the West and the clown puppet. Thousands of deaths on both sides, much more on the Ukrainian side, we can see through the propaganda.

If there was a chance to win against Russia, Trump would take it too. There is not, there wasn't before either, the blood is in the old man's hands, Biden. This war should not have started, could have ended in 2023, or even last year the latest. So Trump is doing now what any sensitive person would have done sooner, face the reality as it is, and negotiate the peace terms with the winner of the war, which is Russia. The terms are not the same now than a year ago, two years ago, or when the war started, obviously.

The Democratic Party is totally highjacked by warmongers, they have outcompeted the Republicans, who are delighted by the situation that only favours them. Another approach is needed, more diplomacy, and competition with other countries making yourself better, not breaking the leg of the competitor, as this ice skater sportswoman did. That's America now, a sportsman who tries to win by breaking the leg of the competitor, instead of training, and being better in the race. Europe is just stupid and bought, there's no better example than what happened with the Nord Stream pipeline, which damaged its economy more than any other including Russia. This was done by the USA, their supposed allies, it wasn't Russia, neither Ukraine.

That's a hysterical misrepresentation, of course Ukraine wants the war in their country to stop.... that doesn't mean they want Russian control, if they did they can just personally lay down their weapons on the front line and wave a white flag to Russia. Why do you believe these Ukrainians are dying fighting Russia instead of surrendering like Russian troops are to Ukraine.

[Hatfort]

35 minutes ago, Elliott said:

That's a hysterical misrepresentation, of course Ukraine wants the war in their country to stop.... that doesn't mean they want Russian control, if they did they can just personally lay down their weapons on the front line and wave a white flag to Russia. Why do you believe these Ukrainians are dying fighting Russia instead of surrendering like Russian troops are to Ukraine.

I don't mean they want the war to stop in generic, because war is bad. They want it to stop now in the terms the country that has defeated them sets, because any future terms are going to be worse and they've started to grasp they have been used. The terms are no NATO and at this point concede the four territories of the East, in short. The terms were better before, and they will be worse in the future if they continue, plus thousands more dead, mostly on their side.

I don't know what you guys think it's happening on the battlefield, but I'll inform you that Russia has been gaining more land and faster as long as the war continues.

Edited February 14 by Hatfort

[Elliott]

35 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

I don't mean they want the war to stop in generic, because war is bad. They want it to stop now in the terms the country that has defeated them sets, because any future terms are going to be worse and they've started to grasp they have been used. The terms are no NATO and at this point concede the four territories of the East, in short. The terms were better before, and they will be worse in the future if they continue, plus thousands more dead, mostly on their side.

I don't know what you guys think it's happening on the battlefield, but I'll inform you that Russia has been gaining more land and faster as long as the war continues.

What's the highest favorability you've seen for these terms, I'm not finding anything overwhelming? 

 

Russians want it to end with concessions even more, so why are you suggesting Ukraine concede based on polls instead of Russia?

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/24/nx-s1-5123628/independent-study-suggests-russian-support-for-the-war-in-ukraine-is-complicated

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MAYNES: Miniailo says, using these types of more probing questions, Chronicles' latest findings show Russians increasingly exhausted by more than 2 1/2 years of war.

MINIAILO: Eighty-four percent want Russia to concentrate on home affairs. More than half want to reconcile with the West - 63% want a peace treaty with Ukraine with mutual concessions.

MAYNES: And nearly as many, he adds, support withdrawing troops even if that means Russia not reaching its military goals

 

 

Russia's economy cannot handle any more war, Russians want the war ended.

Reuters

https://www.reuters.com › markets › europe › russian...

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Exclusive: Russian authorities see rising economic risks, internal ...

1 day ago · Lower oil prices, budget constraints and a rise in bad corporate debt are among the top economic risks facing Russia, documents prepared for an internal government discussion

 

 

[Hatfort]

34 minutes ago, Elliott said:

What's the highest favorability you've seen for these terms, I'm not finding anything overwhelming? 

 

Russians want it to end with concessions even more, so why are you suggesting Ukraine concede based on polls instead of Russia?

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/24/nx-s1-5123628/independent-study-suggests-russian-support-for-the-war-in-ukraine-is-complicated

 

Russia's economy cannot handle any more war, Russians want the war ended.

Reuters

https://www.reuters.com › markets › europe › russian...

 

Russia can continue with the war, its economy is doing well. Ukraine is the one that can't hold it for much longer, that's why they're losing more land at a faster pace, and it will only get worse. But it's in Russia's interest to end the war at some point too, in the terms they've won on the battlefield, stop their own men from dying too, and give a try to a peace economy. 

If NATO and Zelensky don't accept, or set terms that are not acceptable from the standpoint of a country that took big risks and made big sacrifices to win, Russia will be more than ready to continue.

[Raze]

The biggest downside of peace now is that making Ukraine make a deal will allow Ukraine supporters to continue the fantasy that if the war just continued they would win and blame Trump for being in Putins pocket. This is a shame as it will dampen the blow on the military industrial complex and government would get from the failure the same way it got in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, which means it won’t be effective in making the public more skeptical of backing future wars. 

[Breakingthewall]

It seems that no one realizes that if Russia had wanted to, it would have destroyed Ukraine.

Russia has minimized civilian casualties because it thinks long term, it wants lasting peace. The territories he wants are the Dombass and securing the Crimea, and this is going to be inevitable. It is impossible to reconquer the Dombass, Russia advances slowly but inexorably, securing every kilometer taken. You cannot attack Russia because it has a nuclear deterrent, the Russian economy has endured with the support of China, the Russian ammunition factories are producing more than what is needed, the war is totally decided, what happens is that recognizing defeat is difficult

[Breakingthewall]

Russia could probably withstand the war effort for two or 3 more years, but this would be an enormous sacrifice. Right now Russia lives in a war economy, and thanks to trade with China and India it can endure, there is talk of 4% growth but this is unrealistic since it is due to arms production.

The fact is that Russia has put all its effort into this war and in no case can it afford to lose it, this would be catastrophic, it would mean the total decline of Russia and probably its balkanization. If it comes to this extreme, Russia would repay everything, and this is not something that Ukraine wants.

What is Ukraine playing? what do they want? From the beginning their bet was impossible, it has been stupid to propose this war. How to beat a military superpower with a nuclear arsenal capable of devastating the planet? Who has planned this? The result was obvious from the beginning.