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[BlueOak]

As you asked, try to broaden the discussion a bit beyond: 'America bad'. Because yes America bad.
@Bobby_2021

Chinese Imperialism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_imperialism

East Turkestan or Xinjiang Conflict:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict

Which then followed the genocide of the local population:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
Including the use of Xinjiang internment camps
 

Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People's_Republic_of_China

Which has led to the erosion of Tibetan culture.
https://www.dw.com/en/exiled-leader-says-china-is-erasing-tibetan-culture/a-67659867
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization_of_Tibet

This is how China slowly moves its borders outward and then wants more until it hits another power stopping it.

Belt and Road initiative:  Belt and Road Initiative § Accusations of neocolonialism and Debt-trap diplomacy

Jeffrey Reeves argues that since 2012, CCP general secretary Xi Jinping has demonstrated "a concerted imperialist policy" towards its developing neighbor states to the south and west, especially Mongolia,[ Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. This is associated with criticism of debt trap diplomacy.

East China Sea disputes

Further information: East China Sea EEZ disputes

With the 1978 Chinese economic reform launched by Deng Xiaoping, China has increased its political stance, its influence and its power abroad. China has increased its influence, while using military and economic wealth and claims to island territories that have caused anxiety in neighbors to the east, such as the Philippines and Japan.

South China Sea disputes

Further information: Territorial disputes in the South China Sea

Nine-dash line

The South China Sea disputes involve both island and maritime claims of China and the claims of several neighboring sovereign states in the region, namely Brunei, the Republic of China (ROC/Taiwan), Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam. The disputes are over islands, reefs, banks, and other features in the South China Sea, including the Spratly Islands, Paracel Islands, Scarborough Shoal, boundaries in the Gulf of Tonkin, and the waters near the Indonesian Natuna Islands. The main point of criticism is that the PRC is building artificial islands to extend its claims into other nations' territorial waters and militarizing the islands. Chinese salami-slicing strategy and cabbage tactics describe the way the PRC has used small provocations to increase its strategic position.

Edited Wednesday at 10:13 AM by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

Now on to Sri Lanka and 'ports' or moving into Africa more broadly.
https://theconversation.com/why-china-is-seeking-greater-presence-in-africa-the-strategy-behind-its-financial-deals-238468
or
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/takeover-trap-why-imperialist-china-invading-africa-66421

This is perhaps where I have the most problem with everyone say Imperialism, 'what'? 

Ports and airbases allowing access into Africa and the Middle East is exactly how imperialism is conducted. It's how a trading empire is formed. The replacement of the dollar by a currency BRICS control is the same s*** different day. You think these people are somehow more enlightened and not driven by the exact same 6 human needs we all are? Someone threatens those ports or the resulting resources, and we have a war over it. That's EXACTLY WHAT THE US or EUROPE DOES. They don't go to war because they just feel like it one day.

Is it because China has a better image? And isn't as bad as the other guys, because they've only genocided a couple of cultures in the last century?

To All: Stop gaslighting and just own it.

*I didn't even touch on Myanmar and how when that has a coup with a significant Chinese population, nobody bats an eye. If that were anywhere near a western power every accusation under the sun would be flying.

Edited Wednesday at 10:11 AM by BlueOak

[zazen]

@BlueOak  We have to take into account the context, intent and scope of actions taken. Two actors can behave in the same way but with different motives and to different extents. Distinctions and nuance matter otherwise on the spectrum of behaviors we can end up including actions into a certain definition they barely should be in.

Its easy to fall into the trap of conflating aggressive, assertive and authoritarian actions as imperial. A nation navigating its national security concerns domestically and around its borders, consolidating territorial claims it has historic ties to, and securing economic partnerships - isn't necessarily imperial. A nation may also be a dominant player but not a dominating player ie being a major trading partner of a country means your a key dominant player, but that doesn't imply they've dominated their way into that position.

 ''You think these people are somehow more enlightened and not driven by the exact same 6 human needs we all are?'' - motivations for power and security are universal, the form they take matters. China’s strategy prioritises economic leverage, regional security and non-interference over coercive domination, exploitative resource extraction, and dictating domestic politics and governance in a way that undermines sovereignty. Its better described as economic statecraft rather than imperialism.

In general - "The hallmark of imperialism is the exploitation, subjugation, and domination of foreign lands and peoples, driven by the intent to accumulate power, wealth, and resources for the imperial entities gain."

Tibet (Domestic consolidation, not foreign conquest)

Tibet wasn't formally recognised as a sovereign nation state by the international community - which is why it's largely been accepted as part of China’s territory. Tibet was historically part of China’s sphere of influence, although with plenty of autonomy. Its incorporation in 1950 was less about expansionist ambition and more about consolidating historical claims and securing national borders during a period when nations around the world were doing the same.

The context and backdrop was that China became fractured from their civil war and needed to unify itself. The century of humiliation was a wound that was still healing, and the British who inflicted it only left India which got independence in 1947 - that included their presence in Tibet. The Opium wars showed them how foreign powers can use trade,military force, and regional footholds to destabilize and dominate them. Their vulnerabilities and the need to have buffer zones to protect their core territory was at the forefront of their mind.

So the lack of formal recognition for Tibet’s independence, the historical ties to China, and the history they were just coming out of distinguish it as case of territorial consolidation rather than the annexation of a foreign sovereign state. It's contentious but not outright imperial conquest. Framing every move China has made since then as imperialistic, based on a single historical event during a very different global context is a mis-characterisation.

East Turkestan or Xinjiang Conflict (National security - Domestically authoritarian, not imperial) 

Like mentioned on the page before, no country wants to secede and fragment itself. Scotland from UK, Catalonia from Spain - both have been contested and blocked from getting to critical levels that threaten the unity of the state. It's natural for countries to maintain their territorial integrity and national security. Having violent separatists within your territory cause chaos and disruption is something no serious nation will stand for - especially when they could possibly be co-opted by foreign players hostile to you, especially if your aim as a country is long term strategic development of your people.

No doubt their response is authoritarian and against human rights. But it's not quite imperial when its internal governance with a strong fist. It isn't foreign subjugation and it wasn't prolonged internal subjugation either as it ended in 2019.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1868177840048628167

''Wait, aren't these the very same Uyghur separatists that the US State Department said they had "no credible evidence" existed, and that Mike Pompeo decided to remove from the US's list of terrorist organizations in 2020? How bizarre that this non existent group were key players in Assad's fall and are now aiming their gunsights on China... Also could it then mean that the Chinese government's argument that it was fighting separatism in Xinjiang by self-described "mujahideens of East Turkistan" was not a mere "pretext for a crackdown" as the West argued.

By the way, interesting to contrast China's response to this challenge with Assad's. Whilst Syria broke down in a full scale civil war, China did indeed operate a "crackdown" that involved identifying all the people in Xinjiang who empathized with this ideology and sending them to what it called "vocational education and training centers" (and what the West calls "reeducation centers"), where they were basically given a choice: either re-integrate into society by learning a useful skill (hence the vocational education and training aspect) or you'll be headed to prison next. They ran this program during approximately 2 years until December 2019. At the same time, China spent a considerable amount of resources developing Xinjiang which saw its GDP per capita increase by 150% since 2011, whilst Syria's own GDP per capita was divided by 5 with the civil war. They notably developed the tourism industry, transforming Xinjiang into one of the most visited Chinese provinces, with an astounding 265.44 million tourist visits in 2023 alone (https://english.news.cn/20240109/5f18d0e79b9b4208ac7e95d9fbfa2d28/c.html…). Xinjiang's GDP per capita (around US$10,469, https://ceicdata.com/en/china/gross-domestic-product-per-capita/gross-domestic-product-per-capita-xinjiang…) is now higher than countries like Brazil, Thailand or Vietnam.''

This situation exposes the often dangerous naivety of Western "human rights" groups. What exactly did they wish would happen in Xinjiang? What should you do when you see one of your provinces being targeted by the same militant groups that just helped reduce Syria to rubble? Looking at the outcomes, one has to wonder whether these 'human rights' advocates ever seriously considered the human cost of what they were advocating for. The metrics that matter for actual human rights - people's safety, their ability to live and work in peace, access to education, economic opportunities, freedom from violence - all point to the superiority of maintaining stability through development over allowing militant groups to operate freely.''

This situation reveals yet again the often contradictory and hypocritical nature of Western foreign policy. The same militant groups can be labeled as 'non-existent' or removed from terrorism lists when operating against geopolitical rivals, then suddenly become visible when operating elsewhere. Even more tellingly, when China responds to this threat with a combination of security measures and economic development, it was condemned by the same Western powers that have conducted decades of military interventions, drone strikes, and indefinite detentions across multiple countries in the name of fighting terrorism - with far more devastating consequences for civilian populations. The hypocrisy is striking: apparently, it's acceptable to kill and displace millions in the name of fighting terrorism, but attempting to prevent it through economic development and rehabilitation programs is somehow beyond the pale.''

 

Sea dispute claims (Contentious territorial security reacting to US naval presence)

China’s actions in the East and South China Sea involve regional territorial disputes with neighboring countries, not the conquest or subjugation of sovereign states. They are asserting sovereignty over maritime zones and securing strategic trade routes, not dominating or exploiting other nations in particular. This is also a response to US naval presence in a critical area that China uses for its trade. When you have a hostile nation eyeing you up as the next major threat after Russia, your bound to fortify your own neck of the woods in the South ''China'' Sea, so they can't choke you off.

It's reactive defensive posturing, not proactive domination and exploitation over other people and lands. They're settling boundary issues and territory, similar to the Kashmir region between India and Pakistan - but India or Pakistan can't be said to be acting imperially in a disputed territory within their very own region. China's actions are reduced to being imperial - for literally responding to the imperial actions of the US who continue to boogeyman them into the villain category. Similar to Ukraine / Russia - it's a reactive and defensive oriented approach to encroachment and containment - any resources that happen to come from it are incidental and secondary but not primary. Intent and scope matter.

They aren't subjugating people or extracting resources from resource rich lands - simply securing their trade routes so they can do business which is consensual and participatory, and the right of every nation. The worlds current hegemon unfortunately has a habit of economic sanctions and crippling their adversaries who challenge their dominance. 

“Long before China began building its now-infamous artificial islands, countries like Vietnam and the Philippines were already reclaiming land in the area. In the 1970s and 1980s, Vietnam fortified reefs and built outposts in the Spratly Islands, while the Philippines followed with its own reclamation projects in the 1990s. Even Japan, in the East China Sea, had engaged in activities to bolster its territorial claims. By the time China entered the picture with large-scale land reclamation in 2014, it was decades behind its neighbors in these practices.

The notion that China’s actions are imperial by design conveniently ignores the geopolitical context that precipitated this escalation. In 2011, the United States announced its “Pivot to Asia” strategy under President Obama, a clear shift in focus to counterbalance China’s growing influence. This involved strengthening military alliances, deploying advanced weaponry, and increasing the U.S. naval presence in the region. For China, this pivot was perceived as nothing less than an attempt at encirclement—a continuation of Cold War-style containment. Proof of this shift is evident in the U.S.‘s enhanced military agreements with countries like the Philippines and Vietnam, and in its expanded “freedom of navigation” operations to challenge China’s claims.

By 2014, China’s artificial island-building was a direct response to this perceived hostility. Far from an imperial land grab, it was a calculated move to secure its strategic interests in the face of growing Western military encroachment. The islands served as a defensive countermeasure, a way to assert control over vital trade routes and deter potential threats. The fact that China built these islands decades after its neighbors and under the pressure of U.S. containment policies undermines the claim that this is purely about imperial ambition. It’s not dominance for the sake of conquest—it’s about survival in a geopolitical game.”

I'll comment later to discuss how China deals with foreign nations in business and trade next - all the above is the regional and domestic side covered.

Edited Thursday at 12:25 PM by zazen

[PurpleTree]

On 2024-12-18 at 11:03 AM, BlueOak said:

Is it because China has a better image? 

China doesn’t really have a better image though. Most people in the world would rather live in the West than in China.

[PurpleTree]

Crazy how Russia seemingly sends these (poor and probably malnourished) North Koreans to die without real protection.

 

 

[zazen]

On 18/12/2024 at 10:03 AM, BlueOak said:

Ports and airbases allowing access into Africa and the Middle East is exactly how imperialism is conducted. It's how a trading empire is formed. The replacement of the dollar by a currency BRICS control is the same s*** different day.

We can broaden the discussion but have to be wary not to broaden our definitions too much or we risk diluting the meaning of the word. A trading empire doesn’t necessarily mean it’s imperial - it’s about how it’s done. Which is nothing like the past British East India company, the current neo-colonial French currency network, or todays US corporate vulture funds that privatise and orient the host nations politics and economy to primarily serve their own interests.

The first article was balanced. As it said - the notion that Chinese debt traps are a malicious plot is de-bunked. Then it mentions:

“China has moved to recalibrate its infrastructure finance in recent years. In 2021, Xi introduced the concept of “small and beautiful” projects better targeted at the partner country’s needs – a concept he repeated at the recent summit. It is this alignment with the requests of African leaders that differentiates China’s engagement with Africa from that of the west.”

The point being that they work as partners and not in a predator prey dynamic that is exploitive, extractive or undermines sovereignty - typical hallmarks of imperialism. Western led organisations often impose rigid austerity measures and privatisation schemes that strip countries of their sovereignty and keep them indebted. China renegotiates loans, delays payments, in some cases even forgives small loans, and recalibrates to their partners needs. They focus on maintaining long-term partnerships over the short-term gains that Western corporations seek for their shareholders.

The Sri Lanka case is misrepresented as an example of Chinese imperialism but here’s the context: Sri Lanka’s debt crisis wasn’t caused by China but was primarily due to borrowing from Western financial institutions at much higher interest rates than China. 10% of Sri Lanka’s debt was owed to China whilst majority was tied to Western debt. The existence of debt doesn’t make the West inherently imperial either - that’s how growth / development can be funded to countries needing it. But it’s in the nature of how it’s dealt with and the strings attached that make one kind of debt more imperial than another.

China offers loans at lower interest rates and shows greater flexibility in addressing repayment issues. When Sri Lanka or any other country struggles to repay their loans - China doesn’t foreclose or dispossess the assets to undermine sovereignty. In the case of Sri Lanka port - they negotiated a 99-year lease for operational control, but the port itself remains formally owned by Sri Lanka. That allows Sri Lanka to raise immediate funds to alleviate its debt crisis while retaining ownership of the port. It’s actions are more about securing repayment or ensuring operational efficiency, not seizing strategic assets for imperial domination.

The second article was framing everything negatively and is entirely ungrateful. What does the writer expect - for countries to just dish out money with nothing in return? Complaining about environmental concerns as if the industry being referred to (energy) isn’t notorious for it, or that its Chinese labour doing the work - as if it’s some small task to skill up locals to be able to operate technical machinery - and as if all that implies Sino-Imperialism. China can help build foundational infrastructure which takes a while for tangible benefits to be seen - the rest depends on the country itself to maximise and build upon that foundation.

I was just speaking to a relative in Kenya actually - traffic that caused 1-2 hour travel times now takes 10-20 minutes on Chinese built high ways. Even something we take for granted such as having electricity 24/7 and not having power outages. The benefits of this aren’t immediate or obvious. 

Imperialism involves subjugation, exploitation, and the stripping of sovereignty. Chinas way of doing business is strategic and no doubt self-serving, but contrast it to the exploitative legacy of Western led financial practices and it’s clear it isn’t imperial. China’s actions may reflect power imbalances, but they don’t strip nations of their dignity, sovereignty, or long term control over their resources or assets.

Two examples to show clearly how control is exerted:

From Chat GPT

“The CFA Franc system exemplifies economic control akin to modern imperialism. Used by 14 African nations, this currency system requires member countries to deposit 50% of their foreign reserves in the French Treasury, granting France significant influence over their monetary policy. These nations cannot independently print money, adjust currency values, or fully access their own reserves without French oversight. This system perpetuates economic dependency and limits policy flexibility, constraining these countries’ ability to foster growth and self-reliance. Unlike China’s infrastructure deals, which leave behind tangible assets, the CFA Franc system locks nations into a cycle of control and subjugation.

The investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) system in trade agreements, allows multinational corporations to sue governments for policies that might harm corporate profits. This makes nations vulnerable to legal action even when enacting laws to protect public welfare or promote local development. For example, if an African government imposes environmental regulations or raises taxes to support its economy, corporations can use ISDS to claim damages, undermining national sovereignty. This dynamic prioritizes corporate profit over public interest, enforcing a system that suppresses local industries and policies, unlike China’s generally non-interfering approach to its business partnerships.”

That’s economic and corporate imperialism at its finest - because it undermines sovereignty coercively and orients a foreign countries economics and politics to favour the imperial nation.

China comes in without domestic interference, doesn’t finger wag about human rights or how they should slow down development to save the planet - never mind that the West developed off of cheap fossil fuel energy, builds critical infrastructure needed as a stepping stone to industrialisation, listens to their partners needs and concerns, and is lenient and flexible when it comes time to service debts. It’s co-building vs extractively bleeding a nation of its resources.

Edited Friday at 08:28 PM by zazen

[zazen]

BRICS

A BRICS currency isn’t imperial or tyrannical - it’s a reaction to imperialism and tyranny. The argument that challenging the US dollar is inherently bad conflates dominance with domination and power with coercion. BRICS isn’t trying to dominate the world - they’re trying to create a system where no one can dominate the world.

BRICS is about multipolarity - where power is distributed among many nations. It’s not about replacing the US at the top but about removing the top altogether. Multipolarity inherently reduces coercion as there’s less room for a single power to impose its will on others. The West’s unipolar approach is like a school playground: They’ll let everyone play, but they still own the school and make the rules. If anyone challenges their authority, they get detention or expelled.

The West doesn’t even have the weight to justify its self appointed role anymore. Majority of the world’s population and resources reside in non Western countries. Even on economic and military terms they are close to parity.

There was a time when the global development game had only one player in town. Being the sole bidder meant they called the shots. They had power because there were no alternatives and developing countries desperately needed help. It was a buyer’s market where the buyer had all the leverage. But then China and others are coming along creating flipping the dynamic. With some competition it’s become a seller’s market where those countries can pit offers against each other and negotiate terms that work for them.

Democratic at home, anti-democratic away

The West loves to preach democracy and freedom, but their actions on the global stage tell a different story. They have a black and white approach to geopolitics, forcing countries to pick a side: either pledge total allegiance to the Western bloc or face consequences. It’s the schoolyard behaviour you’d expect from children, not global superpowers. They bully and strong arm nations into compliance while denying them the autonomy to navigate their own relationships with countries like Russia or China.

This isn’t diplomacy but coercion. While the West loves to wag its finger at so-called “dictatorships” for their lack of democracy, it operates in a profoundly anti-democratic way globally. The West doesn’t tolerate plurality in global politics- it demands a unipolar order where every country falls in line. In essence, they commit macroaggressions on a global level, whilst their own are busy cancelling each other over micro aggressions.

Contrast this with the so called dictatorships they love to vilify. Sure, countries like Russia or China might have authoritarian systems, and they might lack the Western version of democracy. But they often provide stability, and in many cases, that stability is exactly what their populations value most. If the people within those nations accept - maybe even prefer a system that works for them, isn’t that its own form of democracy? The will of the people. If a leader delivers stability and meets the needs of their people, then maybe the West’s fetishisation of their own brand of democracy isn’t as universal as they’d like to believe.

The hypocrisy deepens when you realize that on a micro level, yes, these so-called “dictators” exert control within their borders. But on the macro level, the West is the one suppressing democracy by refusing to accept any dissenting voices or alternative systems on the global stage. They demand a unipolar world while their behaviour actively creates the opposite - a multipolar world where the “outcast” nations are forced to band together for survival. Sanctions against Russia, for example, have driven it toward deeper alliances with China and other Asian powers. The West, in its desperate bid for dominance, ends up accelerating the very multipolarity it claims to resist.

This behaviour is counterproductive, but it’s also emblematic of the imperial mindset: the assumption that coercion is strength and compliance is unity. What we’re witnessing is not the spread of freedom but the enforcement of a rigid global hierarchy that punishes anyone who steps out of line.

 

When offered the option of a bipolar (G2) world order instead of a unipolar one - China still opts for a multipolar one. 

Apologies for the length, felt the extrapolation is needed as we’re propagandised against non-Western nations, especially China. Gonna chill now and get in the festive mood. Merry season everyone.

Edited Friday at 09:56 PM by zazen

[M A J I]

Contrary to popular belief and western programming, Russia is doing some good things.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/08/19/putin-signs-decree-granting-residency-to-foreigners-who-share-traditional-russian-values-a86074

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_on_the_Far_Eastern_Hectare

If you have read the Ringing Cedars books, you will be amazed and how advanced they are both in technological and spiritual ways.

I don't think any western country offers free land of at least 2.5acres to all citizens to build their family homes tax free.

 

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, M A J I said:

Contrary to popular belief and western programming, Russia is doing some good things.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/08/19/putin-signs-decree-granting-residency-to-foreigners-who-share-traditional-russian-values-a86074

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_on_the_Far_Eastern_Hectare

If you have read the Ringing Cedars books, you will be amazed and how advanced they are both in technological and spiritual ways.

I don't think any western country offers free land of at least 2.5acres to all citizens to build their family homes tax free.

 

Yea or when Hitler built the Autobahn. That was also nice 🥰 

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, M A J I said:

Contrary to popular belief and western programming, Russia is doing some good things.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/08/19/putin-signs-decree-granting-residency-to-foreigners-who-share-traditional-russian-values-a86074

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_on_the_Far_Eastern_Hectare

If you have read the Ringing Cedars books, you will be amazed and how advanced they are both in technological and spiritual ways.

I don't think any western country offers free land of at least 2.5acres to all citizens to build their family homes tax free.

 

1) A lot of weirdos apply for the first one. You have to be pretty brain rotted to apply for Russian residency on these grounds.

2) You have to be an even bigger weirdo because that land is out in the ass, like really out in the middle of nowhere with nothing and you have to live on it for 5 years. 

[Karmadhi]

https://news.sky.com/story/volodymyr-zelenskyy-admits-ukraine-cannot-remove-russian-troops-from-occupied-parts-13276155

Seems like war will be over in a few months.

Trump will negotiate a deal.

My predictions is that Putin gets what he has alongside rest of Donbass (around 20% of Ukraine) and does not go further.

Keep in mind Russians want Odessa and basically half the country.

So that would be a compromise from Putin side.

Zelensky obviously wants it all and will loose 20% instead of half.

That would be the compromise.

Also no Ukraine in NATO but security guarantees.

Another compromise.

Any predictions?

 

[M A J I]

8 hours ago, Lyubov said:

1) A lot of weirdos apply for the first one. You have to be pretty brain rotted to apply for Russian residency on these grounds.

2) You have to be an even bigger weirdo because that land is out in the ass, like really out in the middle of nowhere with nothing and you have to live on it for 5 years. 

Russia is one of the few countries who has not sold their soul to the dark agenda which controls the entire western system. You must understand, the jewish/western system controls the media and tv/news broadcasts, educational, healthcare and scientific systems for most of the world, they do everything in their power to twist and technologically manipulate stories and news and fund the false science and medicine and make those nations like Russia who are actually doing more good for humanity than most, to appear as the bad guys. You are simply under a program you have bought into.

Russia has some of the leading health, technological, scientific, spiritual and ecological that the west keeps hidden from you so you don't move there and free yourself from this corrupt nazi slave system you are all under the spell of. Why do you think Edward Snowden and many other people who exposed the corruption of the west retreated to Russia for protection?

Did you know that almost every family in Russia has a Daksha . A small parcel of land to grow your own vegetables insuring people won’t starve in times of lack . This alone shows a respect to sovereignty self sustaining independent responsibility of each citizen. What other country does this?

Most people do not realize their chains because they haven't actually lived outside of their little boxed program. Many countries like Afghanistan, Russia, Korea are beautiful and have some of the most beautiful kind-hearted people living there but the media twist things round so you hate them and only see the very worst examples of those nations.

Almost every country is designed to keep you enslaved to their system and not explore beyond its barriers much.

Edgar Cayce predicted long ago that "out of Russia would come the hope of the world." As did Anastasia from the Ringing Cedars Series, so much of what they said is coming to pass. You need to learn to find sources and research properly.

You gotta be more Aware by now, its 2024, if you are not Awake, your in big trouble.

Edited 15 hours ago by M A J I

[PurpleTree]

7 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

 

Any predictions?

 

My prediction is that if that happens Russia will be emboldened and soon grab more pieces of countries.

China will be emboldened and grab Taiwan soon. So more fun wars in the next years and stuff.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

My prediction is that if that happens Russia will be emboldened and soon grab more pieces of countries.

China will be emboldened and grab Taiwan soon. So more fun wars in the next years and stuff.

If those countries will be in conflict (USA, Russia, China etc) then obviously the Middle East will be in conflicts. Countries like Turkey, Israel, Iran, Saudi, Egypt going at it. Taking pieces of countries. Decimating peoples they don’t like and such.

[Bobby_2021]

14 hours ago, zazen said:

This isn’t diplomacy but coercion. While the West loves to wag its finger at so-called “dictatorships” for their lack of democracy, it operates in a profoundly anti-democratic way globally

Well articulated. The efforts you put in your writings is commendable.

[lostingenosmaze]

13 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea or when Hitler built the Autobahn. That was also nice 🥰 

Hitler-strawmans when they realize he breathes too 😱

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

My prediction is that if that happens Russia will be emboldened and soon grab more pieces of countries.

What this war revealed is that Russia is a paper tiger. Can't even take Ukraine without losing 500k men and crippling their economy. Never mind Poland.

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China will be emboldened and grab Taiwan soon. So more fun wars in the next years and stuff.

Taiwan is literally China. Don't act like they are grabbing foreign land.

Taiwan is more China than Hawaii or Alaska is America.

Edited 12 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What this war revealed is that Russia is a paper tiger.

Is that really so? Even the collective NATO military got smoked by Taliban. Does that mean American military is a paper tiger? No. 

A good operation needs good leadership, clearly stated goals and a well defined path to accomplishing those goals. 

What were all the military accomplishments of the US/NATO that met all the stated goals? Did the US meets it's goals in Vietnam? What about the dubious goals of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? 

This is not an all out war against the west that Putin declared. It's a special military operation with limited objectives namely

1) Liberation of Donbass

2) Prevent Ukraine from joining NATO.

3) Demilitarize Ukrainian Army.

All goals are going exactly according to plan as Putin is inching closer to his stated goals every single day. 

Western propaganda outlets have convinced their gullible consumers that Putin couldn't capture Ukraine in 3 days, hence the SMO is a failure. Putin never wanted the whole of Ukraine buddy. Putin never said it.

But the west is happy setting dubious goals for Russia and spinning it as a loss for Russia when they fail to meet the westen projection of Russian interests.

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Regarding Russian Military being a paper tiger...since when have US military have won a trench warfare since ww2? In fact US/NATO army could only work in situations with high air superiority where they could bomb tf our of places in their billion dollar fighter jets. Russia has shown them that modern warfare is more about attrition and good old artillery and high tech drones. All of which Russia and China are the masters at. 

If Russia could drive west closer to war in Ukraine by draining all their resources while China stops selling drone to Ukraine, and they can easily use Russian help with invading Ukraine. This is plausible winning strategy. 

Not commenting on much, but this is enough to show they are more than just paper tigers.

Note that the war in Ukraine is not just Ukraine Vs Russia.

It's NATO vs Russia already if you actually follow the actual mechanics of the war. The Kursk operations, ATACMS missiles are all NATO joint operations. And NATO is on the losing side as of now.

[Bobby_2021]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Taiwan is literally China. Don't act like they are grabbing foreign land.

Taiwan is more China than Hawaii or Alaska is America.

Thank you so much for stating the obvious. The Chinese are more than happy for a peaceful resolution with some special arrangements. 

But if the west keeps using Taiwan as a tool for containin China like they did with Russia using Ukraine, we are all cooked. 

[Lyubov]

7 hours ago, M A J I said:

Russia is one of the few countries who has not sold their soul to the dark agenda which controls the entire western system. You must understand, the jewish/western system controls the media and tv/news broadcasts, educational, healthcare and scientific systems for most of the world, they do everything in their power to twist and technologically manipulate stories and news and fund the false science and medicine and make those nations like Russia who are actually doing more good for humanity than most, to appear as the bad guys. You are simply under a program you have bought into.

Russia has some of the leading health, technological, scientific, spiritual and ecological that the west keeps hidden from you so you don't move there and free yourself from this corrupt nazi slave system you are all under the spell of. Why do you think Edward Snowden and many other people who exposed the corruption of the west retreated to Russia for protection?

Did you know that almost every family in Russia has a Daksha . A small parcel of land to grow your own vegetables insuring people won’t starve in times of lack . This alone shows a respect to sovereignty self sustaining independent responsibility of each citizen. What other country does this?

Most people do not realize their chains because they haven't actually lived outside of their little boxed program. Many countries like Afghanistan, Russia, Korea are beautiful and have some of the most beautiful kind-hearted people living there but the media twist things round so you hate them and only see the very worst examples of those nations.

Almost every country is designed to keep you enslaved to their system and not explore beyond its barriers much.

Edgar Cayce predicted long ago that "out of Russia would come the hope of the world." As did Anastasia from the Ringing Cedars Series, so much of what they said is coming to pass. You need to learn to find sources and research properly.

You gotta be more Aware by now, its 2024, if you are not Awake, your in big trouble.

Dude your brain is rotted. I lived in Russia for over 3 years. Almost every Russian with a decent education and job wants to leave due to corruption, pollution in the major cities and weather. It’s a total police state and you can be drafted to the army if you’re a young man. RT has rotted out your mind with conspiracy thinking and evangelical thinking about this place. Russia is a shell of an empire that wants to be great again like the USA. It’s cold and unbelievably corrupt, not a single higher value is served by the state when it’s as corrupt as it is. Half the people there are poor and don’t enjoy their lives. The culture is great though and life isn’t bad everywhere there. It is an alright place, really not that worse to live compared to the USA if you have okay money but it’s none of these special things you have listed here. It’s an autocratic police state with little opportunities to go places and go upward if you aren’t in the top 1% 

Edited 11 hours ago by Lyubov