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As you asked, try to broaden the discussion a bit beyond: 'America bad'. Because yes America bad.
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Chinese Imperialism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_imperialism

East Turkestan or Xinjiang Conflict:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_conflict

Which then followed the genocide of the local population:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
Including the use of Xinjiang internment camps
 

Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People's_Republic_of_China

Which has led to the erosion of Tibetan culture.
https://www.dw.com/en/exiled-leader-says-china-is-erasing-tibetan-culture/a-67659867
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization_of_Tibet

This is how China slowly moves its borders outward and then wants more until it hits another power stopping it.

Belt and Road initiative:  Belt and Road Initiative § Accusations of neocolonialism and Debt-trap diplomacy

Jeffrey Reeves argues that since 2012, CCP general secretary Xi Jinping has demonstrated "a concerted imperialist policy" towards its developing neighbor states to the south and west, especially Mongolia,[ Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. This is associated with criticism of debt trap diplomacy.

East China Sea disputes

Further information: East China Sea EEZ disputes

With the 1978 Chinese economic reform launched by Deng Xiaoping, China has increased its political stance, its influence and its power abroad. China has increased its influence, while using military and economic wealth and claims to island territories that have caused anxiety in neighbors to the east, such as the Philippines and Japan.

South China Sea disputes

Further information: Territorial disputes in the South China Sea

Nine-dash line

The South China Sea disputes involve both island and maritime claims of China and the claims of several neighboring sovereign states in the region, namely Brunei, the Republic of China (ROC/Taiwan), Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam. The disputes are over islands, reefs, banks, and other features in the South China Sea, including the Spratly Islands, Paracel Islands, Scarborough Shoal, boundaries in the Gulf of Tonkin, and the waters near the Indonesian Natuna Islands. The main point of criticism is that the PRC is building artificial islands to extend its claims into other nations' territorial waters and militarizing the islands. Chinese salami-slicing strategy and cabbage tactics describe the way the PRC has used small provocations to increase its strategic position.

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Now on to Sri Lanka and 'ports' or moving into Africa more broadly.
https://theconversation.com/why-china-is-seeking-greater-presence-in-africa-the-strategy-behind-its-financial-deals-238468
or
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/takeover-trap-why-imperialist-china-invading-africa-66421

This is perhaps where I have the most problem with everyone say Imperialism, 'what'? 

Ports and airbases allowing access into Africa and the Middle East is exactly how imperialism is conducted. It's how a trading empire is formed. The replacement of the dollar by a currency BRICS control is the same s*** different day. You think these people are somehow more enlightened and not driven by the exact same 6 human needs we all are? Someone threatens those ports or the resulting resources, and we have a war over it. That's EXACTLY WHAT THE US or EUROPE DOES. They don't go to war because they just feel like it one day.

Is it because China has a better image? And isn't as bad as the other guys, because they've only genocided a couple of cultures in the last century?

To All: Stop gaslighting and just own it.

*I didn't even touch on Myanmar and how when that has a coup with a significant Chinese population, nobody bats an eye. If that were anywhere near a western power every accusation under the sun would be flying.

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