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1 hour ago, Nemra said:

You also said that North Koreans going to Russia is also propaganda, as I remember.

I said it doesn't make sense to have North Koreans fight in the special military operation. Because of obvious reasons like coordination and language barriers.

Of course North Koreans can go to Russia for various reasons that are not related to the special military operation at all. Why would that be of concern to the west. 

It was western psyop to the people so that they can justify escalating the war. No North Koreans is fighting in kursk or anywhere else in Ukraine.

You said they were fighting in Kursk and no real evidence have come up so far because there isn't.

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@Bobby_2021

Aaron Bastani is from Novara media which is left leaning / liberal and even he is speaking on this. 

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Regarding Romania - NATO is building one of the largest airbases there - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/08/15/in-romania-nato-is-building-one-of-its-largest-airbases-in-europe_6716228_4.html

https://www.politico.eu/article/romania-presidential-election-calin-georgescu-military-nato-russia/

Makes sense. Similar reason Imran Khan was ousted - he denied the US to operate or establish a military base in Pakistan that could put the country at danger - a nuclear power with over 200million people. When people complain about West bashing it isn't necessarily bashing, but disappointment and disenfranchisement from a civilisation that talks to high and might all the time. They set us up to have high hopes which they continuously fall short of and in fact do the opposite of.

It only makes sense to direct our forum activism towards the highest ROI pain in the ass of the world, and that right now just so happens to be in the West operating out of Washington.

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How conveniently we all forget Russia has been meddling in Georgia for several decades now. Ditto Romania to a lesser extent. Rich Russian land barons kicking the locals out were just halted in abkhazia, with a political fallout for its leader.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/government/abkhazia-halts-russian-property-deal-amid-public-uproar/ar-AA1vfnEq 

All Russia ever wants to do is russify everything, they are no different to America's nation-building, they just don't bother announcing it.

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Authoritarism is rising everywhere, yes. But this is what most here wanted, and I warned about for almost two decades. Well this is what it looks like.

Many say nothing when Russia meddles in every country in Europe, but when someone else does its a problem. Funny that. At least it stops people from acknowledging why NATO expansion happened, so they can feel better in their own aggressive expansion while hating the other side doing it.

Here is Russia's week.
 



Ruble drops off a cliff
Syrian control collapses. - This hurts their air influence over Africa critically for BRICS.
Georgia destabalises.
More aid coming in to Ukraine
Russias casualties soared.

BTW No Russian influence on an election allows for it to be democratic because Russia is not democratic; the points from Aaron are idealistic on that issue. Its one of the reasons authoritarianism and democracy cannot mix.

 

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34 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Many say nothing when Russia meddles in every country in Europe, but when someone else does its a problem. Funny that.

They're blindly compassionate by ignoring some contexts.

On 12/6/2024 at 5:10 PM, Bobby_2021 said:

Of course North Koreans can go to Russia for various reasons that are not related to the special military operation at all. Why would that be of concern to the west. 

I can't.

On 12/6/2024 at 5:10 PM, Bobby_2021 said:

You said they were fighting in Kursk and no real evidence have come up so far because there isn't.

I didn't say that they were fighting.

They surely didn't go to say thanks to Putin for visiting NK.

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2 hours ago, Nemra said:

They surely didn't go to say thanks to Putin for visiting NK.

They have various pacts and agreements between each other. They are legally obliged to defend each other. NK troops could fight for Russia and that would not mean much. I am saying there has been no conclusive proof of it.  

On 11/15/2024 at 10:39 PM, Nemra said:

North Korea has already sent troops to Russia, and they have joined with the Russians to fight against Ukrainians.

 

2 hours ago, Nemra said:

I didn't say that they were fighting.

You kinda did say that, but that is okay. 

5 hours ago, zazen said:

@Bobby_2021

Aaron Bastani is from Novara media which is left leaning / liberal and even he is speaking on this. 

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Just when you think it cannot get any worse. These NGOs and hooooman rights groups should be forced to declare the source of their funding and closed. Both American and Russian. Pro-Russian candidates would still win regardless. 

Amusing to note they are still using a classic CIA tactic to overwhelm an organization with getting thousands of people to show up and protest. This works all the time. Even a country as resource abundant as the US could not counter such huge swaths of people swarming into the capitol. Georgia and Romania are helpless. 
I predict a war soon enough unless Trump does something to stop this madness. Russia would not tolerate this anyway. 

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Good sign. Trump should be smart enough to know that he cannot boss around Putin and will lose miserable if they choose to prolong the war.

So best thing is force negotiation and get this thing up and over with.

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Putin and Ukraine need to know that it will get worse for them to continue.
They also need to know it will get better for them in peace.

Otherwise it will go nowhere.

The peace is almost impossible to sell without a lot of hardware coming their way. If NATO, all military alliances and nukes are off the table for Ukraine, there is almost nothing that can be done to stop a new war starting 5 years from now with Russia in a stronger position in terms of land access and logistics, even if they are weaker economically and in terms of stockpiles. They'd need a heck of a carrot for that deal.

Ending the war is also a bit of a hard sell to Russia if Trump looks too keen to pull out, as he wants to. Because without US support, Russia can gain a lot in Ukraine also.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-09/china-is-cutting-off-drone-supplies-critical-to-ukraine-war-effort

China is about to stop supplying drone components to Ukraine. 

Drones have done more to help Ukraine in its war effort more than anything.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/12/08/ukraine-war-draft-18-conscription-debate/

@BlueOak Ukraine has a man power problem more than anything. So there is nothing the US can do to salvage this. Their will crumble in no time. 

More "support" by supplying missiles wouldn't do anything. Their poorly trained troops have been killed or injured already.

Also drafting literal 18 year olds is evil. These are just boys. Time to put down arms and surrender than have your young generation wiped off forever. This is a country that is already suffering a demographic crisis.

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It would have been more insightful if you could have looked at Russia's perspective also and done the opposite here. What do they gain by peace and what do they lose by keeping fighting. That way we could have a whole perspective rather than half a perspective.

Ukraine From the very same article. @Bobby_2021

“Unfortunately, we’ve always had fewer weapons than needed and are far from matching Russia’s advantages in aviation, bombs, and missiles

Ukraine's training far exceeds Russia's. Their current conscription age is 25. Some of this we are now reading is America making an excuse to pull out, it'll lay all the groundwork for that in their media.

Though young men have historically been the backbone of most armies, the question of who should serve in the fight is deeply divisive in Ukrainian society. Mobilization is unpopular, and Zelensky’s administration has said further lowering the mobilization age — it’s now 25, which is old compared with other countries — doesn’t make sense when there aren’t enough weapons to equip the soldiers already on the battlefield.

So no this is not being considered seriously.

This is also reflected on the Russian side with their demographics already being bad, and their casualties being about 3 to 1, people argue 2.5 to 1, but whatever the exact number it's still a lot of Russians dead that they could not afford to lose—especially given the exodus prewar and during the first few months.

However, I can acknowledge that Russia can keep losing men for awhile, despite their economic hits, as the Russian population outside of the major western cities can live in poverty more easily. This doesn't tell me why Russia would ever settle for a long term peace, not with BRICS resupplying them. If you'd have said china were cutting equipment to both sides, that would have been more reassuring.

Missiles do plenty Bobby they wreck Russian ammunition, manpower, armor and logistics. So let's not try and BS that long-range missiles are not effective in war. Trump pulling out is reflective of the American people pulling out more of NATO and Europe that's the reality, let's not sugar coat it. In the future decades America is going to split further with Europe and be on the opposite side of things or at least neutral (economically speaking, no doubt weapons will still be sold).
 

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3 hours ago, BlueOak said:

@Bobby_2021

 

Trump pulling out is reflective of the American people pulling out more of NATO and Europe that's the reality, let's not sugar coat it. In the future decades America is going to split further with Europe and be on the opposite side of things or at least neutral (economically speaking, no doubt weapons will still be sold).
 

I think that’s what many Americans would like to do. But they need Europe and other allies against China. So those Americans are quite in a pickle.

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New 3 hour talk between Dugin and Mearsheimer 

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On 10.12.2024 at 1:18 PM, zazen said:

New 3 hour talk between Dugin and Mearsheimer 

lmao, I hope it's finally apparent to people that Mearsheimer is an absolute clown.

But to be honest, it probably won't be given how utterly brainded some of you guys are in here.

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On 12/10/2024 at 2:12 PM, BlueOak said:

and their casualties being about 3 to 1, people argue 2.5 to 1,

This is fake. There is no reliable ground level reporting on casualties. 

From intuition I suspect Ukrainian casualties more than Russian.

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10 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

This is fake. There is no reliable ground level reporting on casualties. 

From intuition I suspect Ukrainian casualties more than Russian.

Ah "intuition", so your nonsensical, america-bad ideological commitment you mean. Of course Russia has more casualities, they have more people, and they have a doctrine of absolutely no care for having causalities. They are an empire, the difference is when they send their cannon fodder to die, they don't need to give a shit because the moscovite imperialists won't care one bit if all the half-genocided, occupied indigenous people are upset about their sons, brothers and fathers dying in a completely irrational war.

They are also the invading force, which in a symmetrical war will yield more casualities on the side of the attacker.

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