Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[zazen]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/19/putin-new-law-nuclear-response-conventional-strike-ukraine/
 

Vladimir Putin signals readiness to start nuclear war

Surprised how this barely gets much attention on the forum or in general. People starting threads finger wagging at Trump voters and debate about Trump being Hitler but not a single thread on this which seems big enough and concerning. 

Because they don’t want to criticise Biden/Democrats? Odd to me. 

Jeffrey Sachs discussing the latest:
 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:55 AM by zazen

[sholomar]

29 minutes ago, zazen said:

Surprised how this barely gets much attention on the forum or in general. People starting threads finger wagging at Trump voters and debate about Trump being Hitler but not a single thread on this which seems big enough and concerning. 

Because they don’t want to criticise Biden/Democrats? Odd to me. 

Jeffrey Sachs discussing the latest:
 

 

 Stage green are too naive to human nature, which makes them prone to be used and taken advantage of by the lower stages. This is why they can't be in charge. They think everyone is inherently good and don't know how to deal with each stage at their own level. That's what is happening. The democrats/leftists have been hijacked in the west. They won't save anybody.  Reach tier 2 consciousness so you can see who the real "enemies" are.  Certainly don't shame me for not "embracing my green."

Now, watch the puppets pulling Biden's strings, the same ones who would have pulled Kamala's start world war three and shatter your narrative about the left being the only way to save this planet.  Welcome to human nature, where wealthy psychopaths bribe those in charge to get what they want, no matter what the cost.  Enjoy the game.  Funny thing is, none of the people actually in charge run for any office. Those who run for office get used by those who have the money. That is human nature.  Play the game the way you're told, how you're told.

Edited Wednesday at 08:07 AM by sholomar

[PurpleTree]

43 minutes ago, sholomar said:

 Stage green are too naive to human nature, which makes them prone to be used and taken advantage of by the lower stages. This is why they can't be in charge. They think everyone is inherently good and don't know how to deal with each stage at their own level. That's what is happening. The democrats/leftists have been hijacked in the west. They won't save anybody.  Reach tier 2 consciousness so you can see who the real "enemies" are.  Certainly don't shame me for not "embracing my green."

Now, watch the puppets pulling Biden's strings, the same ones who would have pulled Kamala's start world war three and shatter your narrative about the left being the only way to save this planet.  Welcome to human nature, where wealthy psychopaths bribe those in charge to get what they want, no matter what the cost.  Enjoy the game.  Funny thing is, none of the people actually in charge run for any office. Those who run for office get used by those who have the money. That is human nature.  Play the game the way you're told, how you're told.

Biden is not really left. Democrats mostly aren’t left. Bernie is left. 

[Bobby_2021]

https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-embassy-kyiv-significant-air-attack-russia-ukraine/story?id=116038827

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c20726y20kvt

US and EU countries closes it's embassy in keiv over signs of a looming retaliation within a few hours.

Ukraine is cooked imo.

Edited Wednesday at 01:08 PM by Bobby_2021

[zazen]

@Bobby_2021 @sholomar

It ain’t looking good. UK the chihuahuas barking - it’s always the small insecure dogs isn’t it. They think because they got a pitbull (America) in their corner they’re safe.

Edited Wednesday at 05:45 PM by zazen

[Bobby_2021]

7 hours ago, zazen said:

UK the chihuahuas barking - it’s always the small insecure dogs isn’t it. They think because they got a pitbull (America) in their corner they’re safe.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/20/us-news/secret-german-docs-reveal-wwiii-plans/

NATO is delusional enough to think it can wage a war against Russia and it can win where all its experience were bombing the fuck out of shithole countries. They wouldn't be able to mobilize skibidi gen z crowd against Russians and win lmaoo.

It's doubtful if anyone would survive until Christmas. My blood is boiling right now. 

You can poke the bear only so much.

[Javfly33]

6 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

It's doubtful if anyone would survive until Christmas. My blood is boiling right now. 

You can poke the bear only so much.

 

We don´t even know if the damn missiles have impacted anything of significant value in Russia

 

Edited Thursday at 07:52 AM by Javfly33

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

 

We don´t even know if the damn missiles have impacted anything of significant value in Russia

 

He was probably speaking more in the hypothetical - if things were to escalate.

The thing is even if these missiles don't do much damage or are countered by Russia - the major difference is this isn't simply providing weapons for Ukraine to use, these missiles require US participation in order to launch them. ATCAMS rely on advanced targeting data that Ukraine doesn't have without Western levels of ISR (intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance).

Thats as far as I currently understand it. It's literally declaring war on Russia directly and no longer by proxy. Russia even said this was their red line, and here we are - the red line is shining bright red but the West just walks right past just like the past actions that resulted in where we are today. The hubris, arrogance, delusion and stupidity is on another level.

This is Bidens legacy (if presidents even are in control that is) - presiding over a plausible genocide in Gaza he didn't stop but had all the means to (supposedly) and nuclear brinkmanship 2 months before his departure from office. But yeah, this forum can keep worrying about Orange Hitler whilst not a single thread gets started on this major escalation - and barely a mutter from Democrat die hards lol.

 

Edited Thursday at 08:58 AM by zazen

[PurpleTree]

57 minutes ago, zazen said:

He was probably speaking more in the hypothetical - if things were to escalate.

The thing is even if these missiles don't do much damage or are countered by Russia - the major difference is this isn't simply providing weapons for Ukraine to use, these missiles require US participation in order to launch them. ATCAMS rely on advanced targeting data that Ukraine doesn't have without Western levels of ISR (intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance).

Thats as far as I currently understand it. It's literally declaring war on Russia directly and no longer by proxy. Russia even said this was their red line, and here we are - the red line is shining bright red but the West just walks right past just like the past actions that resulted in where we are today. The hubris, arrogance, delusion and stupidity is on another level.

This is Bidens legacy (if presidents even are in control that is) - presiding over a plausible genocide in Gaza he didn't stop but had all the means to (supposedly) and nuclear brinkmanship 2 months before his departure from office. But yeah, this forum can keep worrying about Orange Hitler whilst not a single thread gets started on this major escalation - and barely a mutter from Democrat die hards lol.

 

Lol. You seem to be ok with Russias genocide in Ukraine why are you not ok with Israels genocide in Palestine?

[PurpleTree]

 

[zazen]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Lol. You seem to be ok with Russias genocide in Ukraine why are you not ok with Israels genocide in Palestine?

Of course not man. If anything, Western elites are okay with it. I've literally seen their correspondents say the quiet part out loud ''The Ukraine war is strategically advantageous to us because we just provide the arms and funds without the loss of our own men''ie Ukrainians are their cannon fodder to be used as a thorn in Russia's side. Boris Johnson flopped a possible peace way back in the earlier days of this shit show. 

I also viewed Russia as a brazen aggressor, but after learning the context and what proceeded it, its a different story. Recommend the following 13 min watch, worth it: 

On 11/17/2024 at 10:52 PM, zazen said:

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/11/16/uk-plot-keep-ukraine-fighting/

“Emails and internal documents reviewed by The Grayzone reveal details of a cabal of British military and intelligence veterans which plotted to escalate and prolong the Ukraine proxy war “at all costs.” Convened under the direction of the British Ministry of Defense in the immediate aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the cell referred to itself as Project Alchemy. As British leadership sabotaged peace talks between Kiev and Moscow, the cell put forward an array of plans “to keep Ukraine fighting” by imposing “strategic dilemmas, costs and frictions upon Russia.”

If anything, I'm the one who should be worried as I'm in the UK, and its more likely if anything escalates its the UK that would be hit first, not the US. But all I see is escalation and provocation with utter hubris.

[PurpleTree]

33 minutes ago, zazen said:

Of course not man. If anything, Western elites are okay with it. I've literally seen their correspondents say the quiet part out loud ''The Ukraine war is strategically advantageous to us because we just provide the arms and funds without the loss of our own men''ie Ukrainians are their cannon fodder to be used as a thorn in Russia's side. Boris Johnson flopped a possible peace way back in the earlier days of this shit show. 

I also viewed Russia as a brazen aggressor, but after learning the context and what proceeded it, its a different story. Recommend the following 13 min watch, worth it: 

If anything, I'm the one who should be worried as I'm in the UK, and its more likely if anything escalates its the UK that would be hit first, not the US. But all I see is escalation and provocation with utter hubris.

Well you know about the russian novichock attacks in the UK. Russia was at war with the West for a long time. Cold war seemingly never really ended and now it’s getting hotter.

 

 

[Raze]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Lol. You seem to be ok with Russias genocide in Ukraine why are you not ok with Israels genocide in Palestine?

It’s not a genocide. The Ukraine war has gone on twice as long and Ukraine has 18x the population as Gaza, but they have less then half the number of civilian casualties. 

[PurpleTree]

^ Basically Russia denies Ukraines right to free determination and existence, history etc.

And Israel does the same with Palestine.

Russia is like the hurt ex husband. Gosh you slutty Ukraine why you want to be closer with the west, am i not good enough? Am i too ugly? Now i‘m committing femicide or even better murder suicide.

 

 

[Basman]

You guys are acting like the US is the only one arming Ukraine. Britain, France and Sweden especially are all eager to bloody Putin's nose.

An imperialist Russia threatens to destabilize Europe. Obviously, the US has less of a bone in this fight.

[Nemra]

14 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Basically Russia denies Ukraines right to free determination and existence, history etc.

It's interesting seeing people that don't like how Israel treats Palestinians but then dismiss what you said.

[PurpleTree]

Yea not really though. They just kind of bought into the idea that the West is the problem and Russia is the victim. Often with Russian propaganda probably. Yet most of them wouldn’t want to live in Russia and enjoy their western freedom of speech etc.

 

[Nemra]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yeah not really though. They just kind of bought into the idea that the West is the problem and Russia is the victim. Often with Russian propaganda probably. Yet most of them wouldn’t want to live in Russia and enjoy their western freedom of speech etc.

Yeah.

They easily empathize with Palestinians for the reasons you provided.

[Raze]

44 minutes ago, Basman said:

You guys are acting like the US is the only one arming Ukraine. Britain, France and Sweden especially are all eager to bloody Putin's nose.

An imperialist Russia threatens to destabilize Europe. Obviously, the US has less of a bone in this fight.

What destabilizes Europe is the US trying to bring Ukraine into NATO. They knew Russia wouldn’t tolerate a border state joining a hostile military alliance.  

[PurpleTree]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

What destabilizes Europe is the US trying to bring Ukraine into NATO. They knew Russia wouldn’t tolerate a border state joining a hostile military alliance.  

That’s also a similar reason for Israel not wanting a Palestinian state.

They can’t have a their state with an army etc., it’s too dangerous for us, they will get weapons from their allies Iran and Hezbollah etc. and attack us.