Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[Peo]

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

unhinged.

What does that mean?

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

1. Unconditional Surrender. 

2. Give up NATO aspirations. 

3. Give up the land that currently occupied by Russia.

4. Also remove the illegitimate president while you are at it. It is time for new elections and his term is over.

Resistance is futile. This is the land that has trillions of dollars worth of rare earth minerals. Russia and China will make use of it now.

US Fucked up big time. Bad policy has a price to pay. Pay the price and move on. Accepting the Truth is hard. What else can you do. 

I predicted this exactly on Feb of 2022. But then I was a "Russian propagandist". Now nearly 3 years later, West backed Ukraine is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. The west got high on their own arrogance thinking they can collapse Russia with sanctions and Ukraine can win. All of those were bullshit. 

Hey I know how bad things are. It is very bad. 10x worse than what is being reported. And it will only get worse. 

Just say you support Russia and their terms of capitulation.

Don’t try to spin it that it’s best that the war ends for Ukraine. Ukraine has the capability to fight for years with continued western support. The war ending now does not favor Ukraine.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@Bobby_2021 you underestimate western greediness.

[Hatfort]

Zelensky is just ridiculous, what a joke plan. No call for negotiations, but what he calls the Victory Plan with five points.

He asks to enter NATO immediately and later in the EU. That's one of the main reasons Russia attacked, it didn't accept NATO on his border with Ukraine before, and it's not going to accept now that it's winning.

He asks for permission to use long-range weapons against Russian territory. That would be a direct war between Russia and NATO at that point, not even the Pentagon wants this. Understand that Russia can't let a long-range attack in its territory unanswered, and they have those kinds too, otherwise it sends the message that it can be attacked like that, and the attackers can get away with it. Russia won't accept that scenario, it's not that weak, in fact it's not weak at all.

He offers the natural resources of Ukraine to US and EU. Cool, he is selling his country to Western companies, Zelensky the patriot. For the post-war era he wants to deploy Ukrainian soldiers in NATO's bases throughout all Europe. Sure, that should be accepted by the other European countries, that's what we want.

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

@Bobby_2021 Not only that surrendering might encourage Russia to keep conquering more territory, it might also have serious consequences on Ukrainians moral and sense of security for many years after the war, including much more widespread PTSD across the country's citizenship.

I just do not have enough energy to counter lies and western propaganda. What I have said is in the best interests of the common people of Ukraine.

Do you care about the people of Ukraine? Most of them are willing to trade in territories for not fighting a war for neocons on the other side of globe. 

Why is this so hard to get? Because you all do not care about the people of Ukraine. That is the fundamental problem. 

34 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

what a joke plan

"When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus." - Turkish Proverb

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

@Bobby_2021 you underestimate western greediness.

Do not even get me started. 

They are willing to sacrifice Ukrainian lives for pointless war based on nothing more than lies and lies. 

And I do sympathize with most the of the stage green folks whose only source of information is legacy media. 

This is why it is so impressive. The scale of the propaganda. 

They do not even hide it sometimes and so flagrantly selfish as fuck. 

https://youtu.be/6XFKO4eDKZc?si=rkZaWeySIao1_y6V

 

 

[Bobby_2021]

45 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

He asks for permission to use long-range weapons against Russian territory. That would be a direct war between Russia and NATO at that point, not even the Pentagon wants this

This war literally killed us all. Nobody realizes this. We were this close to getting nuked. 

There is only two places in the world right now that want to drag the rest of the world into a war. Israel and Ukraine. 

We are talking about a full blown nuclear war combined with automated preemptive strikes that will result in collective destruction. 

I am begging people to understand the magnitude of the problem that we are dealing with. This is not the time to score points. I thought  that people will come back to their senses when their survival is threatened, but naah. 

Basically his peace plan is a full blown nuclear annihilation. nice joke fr. Man. 

[Something Funny]

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The people of Ukraine will agree with me. The mothers of Ukraine agrees with me. The common men of Ukraine agrees with me. I speak for the Ukrainian people. Not the rouge regime who wants to sell his own country to their capitalist overlords. 

The people of Ukraine would hate you if you say anything that prolongs the war. Which is what your current policy is. 

You know this how?

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Do you care about the people of Ukraine? Most of them are willing to trade in territories for not fighting a war for neocons on the other side of globe. 

You know this how?

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

We were this close to getting nuked. 

You know this how?

2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Basically his peace plan is a full blown nuclear annihilation. nice joke fr. Man. 

You know this how?

[PurpleTree]

4 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

@Bobby_2021 you underestimate western greediness.

Compared to eastern greedines?

[Something Funny]

@PurpleTree shhh, don't disrupt their nice little agenda

[Karmadhi]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Bobby_2021 What do you expect Ukraine to do? Lay down and get raped by Putin?

 

If they freeze the lines of conflict and end the war with the land each has, you think Russia will call it quits?

[PurpleTree]

17 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

If they freeze the lines of conflict and end the war with the land each has, you think Russia will call it quits?

Who knows.

Maybe for some time they would lay low but then if they get stronger and hungry again they‘d maybe want more in a few years or decades or if they sense any weakness in Europe or the West.

[Lyubov]

6 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

If they freeze the lines of conflict and end the war with the land each has, you think Russia will call it quits?

It’s not possible to freeze the lines of the conflict. “They” has no ability to because one side is doing everything, Putin started the war, he attacked, it’s entirely his choice and continued effort. Ukraine is defending. And since Russia is now winning since it’s turned into a war of attrition and Russia has a lot of resources, there’s no reason for them to freeze anything since they can conquer more land. Talks of freezing it is just theatre and make believe because Russia has no plans to stop fighting. And if let’s say there was some ceasefire, it favors Russia to just build up their army again for a couple years then start fighting again. The only strategy that works with Russia and imperialist dictators is containment backed by force. The consequences of them trying to conquer land has to be so great that they stay put. It worked with the Soviet Union, and then we went soft.

Edited October 18 by Lyubov

[Bobby_2021]

10 hours ago, Something Funny said:

You know this how?

The people of Ukraine do not want to fight a losing war. This is common sense. They are saying it all over social media. They are deserting the military in record numbers. Please go study more on the situation. 

10 hours ago, Something Funny said:

You know this how?

This is somewhat complicated how countries position their nuclear doctrine. 

Ask yourself why the west is not allowing Ukraine for deep strikes into Russia? Why? Because it will result in nuclear annihilation. 

There is more to the story, but take me on faith if you are hesitant to do the work to realize this. What else can I say?

 

[Kid A]

17 hours ago, Peo said:

What does that mean?

You don't need Leo to figure that out…

[Something Funny]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The people of Ukraine do not want to fight a losing war. This is common sense. They are saying it all over social media. They are deserting the military in record numbers. Please go study more on the situation. 

13 hours ago, Something Funny said:

No, this is not common sense. And I, as a person who actually speaks russian and ukrainian, and uses ukrainian social media don't see them "saying it all over it". But even if they were, your source for your claim is just some random social media posts? The same social media posts that conservatives use to fuel their conspiracy theories? The same social media posts that red pillers / black pillers / etc., use to justify their views on women?

I am just giving those examples to show that social media isn't exactly an accurate representation of reality. Especially on the topic like this where you have no idea who the post was made by and for what reason.

I am trying to be open minded here and be willing to consider what you are saying as long as you have something to back your words up with. But it looks like you are just talking out of your ass.

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They are deserting the military in record numbers.

Again, any sources for this? Or are you just speaking empty words because you feel like it.

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

This is somewhat complicated how countries position their nuclear doctrine. 

 

And what's Russian nuclear doctrine and how do you know what it is?

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Ask yourself why the west is not allowing Ukraine for deep strikes into Russia? Why? Because it will result in nuclear annihilation. 

 

There are many political reasons for that. Also, this is no longer a unanimous opinion among western countries. They didn't allow lots of other stuff before which is now allowed.

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

There is more to the story, but take me on faith if you are hesitant to do the work to realize this. What else can I say?

 

You could provide some evidence for your logic. Because there is none so far, and I have a lot of counter evidence, saying that Russia is not going to nuke  anybody with or without long range missiles. Ukraine has already attacked targets within Russia many times and Ukraine has alreadt invaded Russia with an actual ground army. How many Russian red lines have we crossed already?

It is kind of hard to take on faith a person, who seems so biased while also having nothing to backup what he says.

To me, it seems unlikely that Russia will use nukes for anything, other than some edge case scenario where its existence will be in danger. Putin and his cronies are too selfish and have too many golden palaces to lose to start a nuclear apocalypse "just because".

[Bobby_2021]

@Something Funny I have said this before and I will say it again. 

Just because there no source is provided for my arguments does not mean what I am saying is false.

Providing a source for my arguments does not make it true either. 

You are fixated on "sauce" because you don't have a decent way to refute my claims. Period. 

Edited October 18 by Bobby_2021

[PurpleTree]

North Korean troops in Ukraine?

 

[PurpleTree]

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Breaking News: North Korea 🇰🇵 to send thousands of soldiers to fight in Ukraine

 

 

Edited October 20 by Husseinisdoingfine