Latest Ukraine/Russia Thread

[Hojo]

@Nemra Its not about ukraine its about USA

[BlueOak]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Nemra Im aware, attacking Russia is asking for more shit than you want. We dont want war

Ukraine is already in a war with Russia. 

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@BlueOak If they want to attack Russia USA should immediately pull everything out.

The USA has no forces in Russia. They have a guarantee with Ukraine to protect its sovereignty, signed when Ukraine gave up its nukes. Same with the UK. Most of the East of Europe understands how Russia thinks of their countries, as totally or partly Russian land so they too want them stopped here.

Russia can barely handle Ukraine, they certainly can't handle anyone else.

 

[Hojo]

@BlueOak How can you say Russia can barely handle ukraine when USA is arming them?? Its just humans. The weapons are the difference. Thats a proxy war.

If Russia attacked Canada and Canada said USA we need help and USA gave all their high tech weapons to Canada and beat Russia back would you say Russia cant handle Canada or Russia cant handle USA? Could Canada do it without USA?

Edited September 21 by Hojo

[Nemra]

@Hojo, not everything and not always it's about the US.

[Hojo]

@Nemra You are not able to see Russias side. If USA proxy Ukraine to Russia its about the USA. If Russia sees they are being proxy attacked by their biggest enemy they will suicide bomb the planet.

[Nemra]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Nemra You are not able to see Russias side. If USA proxy Ukraine to Russia its about the USA. If Russia sees they are being proxy attacked by their biggest enemy they will suicide bomb the planet.

I understand that delusional side. I'm talking about the Ukrainian side.

[Hojo]

@NemraIts not delusional at all. Why are you giving Ukraine rights to attack a country that is not Ukraine who is Ukraine or USA to deem that okay? Its hypocritical.

Edited September 21 by Hojo

[Nemra]

@Hojo, then why hasn't Putin nuked us all? He understands Ukraine isn't worth it for that. He would have done it long ago. He already believes everything is the fault of the US.

Ukraine is the one who chooses to resist against Russia.

[Hojo]

@Nemra Because they havent started attacking Russia if they do and he is losing he will. Because it means the USA is proxy killing their enemy. Theirs no way Ukraine could beat Russia without USA so its good to protect them but not attack stuff not on their territory unless you think Ukraine sees Russian land as Ukraine land.

Russia is not under attack right now they are being defended if they get attacked on thier soil they will freak out.

Edited September 21 by Hojo

[Nemra]

@Hojo, Russia took some of the Ukrainian land. 

Ukraine has been defending and now they are attacking.

Putin might or might not lose the war that he started but not some new war against Russia.

[Hojo]

@NemraWe all will lose if USA is funding a war on Russian soil. If thats worth the freedom of Ukraine then I disagree completely.

Edited September 21 by Hojo

[Nemra]

14 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@NemraIts not delusional at all. Why are you giving Ukraine rights to attack a country that is not Ukraine who is Ukraine or USA to deem that okay? Its hypocritical.

Bro, Russia started this war. I can't give rights to anyone, even if I wanted.

As I said, Ukraine is not part of Russia.

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@NemraWe all will lose if USA is funding a war on Russian soil. If thats worth the freedom of Ukraine then I disagree completely.

Are you a russian bot or something?

or paid for like tim pool and his gang?

[Hojo]

@NemraUkraine is like 1970s technology wise USA came in and gave them alien technology to beat their opponents with. Russia attacked a country with 1970s technology that were not protected from Nato so shouldnt be given help by Nato. They then asked Nato for help and Nato helped them even tho they are not part of Nato. Nato gave them alien technology to beat Russia. If they then use that Alien technology to beat Russia on their own soil I call that a proxy war.

[Hojo]

@PurpleTree I never once said Ukraine was an enemy. If you pay attention you can see your own delusion in real time.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@PurpleTree I never once said Ukraine was an enemy. If you pay attention you can see your own delusion in real time.

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[PurpleTree]

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[Nemra]

@Hojo, are you really expecting Ukrainians to continue fighting with old technology?

Why are you underestimating Russia? I don't understand.

Do you understand that Ukrainians were mostly defending themselves and still losing lands?

I'm done.

Edited September 21 by Nemra

[Hojo]

@NemraI have no idea what you are talking about.

Its not their technology its the USA technology. If you use USA technology to attack Russia it is technically USA fighting Russia to Russians. You are saying you dont care but I am saying we havent stirred the hornets nest yet and we dont have too. You want countless people to continue dying for Ukraine ego.

Edited September 21 by Hojo

[BlueOak]

22 hours ago, Hojo said:

@BlueOak How can you say Russia can barely handle ukraine when USA is arming them?? Its just humans. The weapons are the difference. Thats a proxy war.

If Russia attacked Canada and Canada said USA we need help and USA gave all their high tech weapons to Canada and beat Russia back would you say Russia cant handle Canada or Russia cant handle USA? Could Canada do it without USA?

Let me preface this by saying America's help did save Ukraine a long and bloody resistance struggle like Ireland had to go through.

America, like most of NATO, has given or sold on a lend-lease Ukraine APC's that were going to be scrapped. M113's for example, these are paper thin and not suitable for modern combat roles (but nor is a t-60). It was a shrewd move to sell off its old warehoused armor.
Its given plenty of small arms, and mid-range artillery.
Very few tanks.
Very few Aircraft.
Few long-range weapons with limits on them.
Lots of air defense.
And Training

Someone made a joke that aging F-16's won't change the war, but then I reminded them Russia is using t-60's.

This isn't America's best vs Russia. This is 50-year-old tech (with some notable exceptions) vs Russia in the hands of a relatively new, but now seasoned army. If this America vs Russia in a conventional fight there wouldn't be a ground war, most Russian assets, factories, logistics, and the ability to fight would be eliminated from long range without a shot being fired up close. Certainly anyone near Moscow or its eastern border. America doesn't fight like this, they hit you very hard, and then they send in mobile groups to finish you off, most of the time they don't even need to do that.

I don't think you realize how inferior Russia is compared to America now militarily, or NATO as a whole without America. It hasn't been a superpower for decades, that's China's role now. Part of the Reason this is such a mess is Russia is trying to be what it was, when it's not. Its like English people (or anyone) who still think England's an empire, there are not as many of them left anymore, but they still think we can do it all ourselves, not accepting reality.

Then we have the practical reality of Russia fighting an opponent that is 20 times stronger than Ukraine with very little war fatigue at all NATO, at the same time they are still fighting Ukraine. It's not happening.

Edited September 22 by BlueOak