Tell me why god realizations should not be true

[emil1234]

I think the burden of proof is on the rejectors of god realization.

Their claim is that god realizations are a product of the brain. Okay, lets take that point of view:

We have an experience of life. We dont know why its here, but we assume its generated by the brain. We also do not know why the brain is here. The brain neither explains itself nor does it explain the surrounding reality.

There exists an experience, which we call god realization. This experience explains itself totally. It also explains what we call life or reality, and thus it also explains the existence of the human brain.

Looking at it through these parameters: logically, god realizations should be the more plausible reality? The brain does not explain god realization, but god realization explains the brain.

I'm having a hard time finding plausible arguments which reject god realization. The only one i can come up with, is that in God realizations, consciousness is eternal, but consciousness SEEMINGLY can disappear (or not?) during for example deep sleep or buddhist cessations / nirvakalpa samadhi

Further, I also find that it would be incredibally random if the human brain, which evolved solely with the purpose of survival, should evolve to be able to generate experiences such as God realization. It seems completely unnecessary, when looking at the main objective of the evolution of the human brian, which is survival.

 

 

Edited September 16 by emil1234

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

I think the burden of proof is on the rejectors of god realization.

Their claim is that god realizations are a product of the brain. Okay, lets take that point of view:

We have an experience of life. We dont know why its here, but we assume its generated by the brain. We also do not know why the brain is here. The brain neither explains itself nor does it explain the surrounding reality.

There exists an experience, which we call god realization. This experience explains itself totally. It also explains what we call life or reality, and thus it also explains the existence of the human brain.

Looking at it through these parameters: logically, god realizations should be the more plausible reality? The brain does not explain god realization, but god realization explain the brain.

I'm having a hard time finding plausible arguments which reject god realization. The only one i can come up with, is that in God realizations, consciousness is eternal, but consciousness SEEMINGLY can disappear (or not?) during for example deep sleep or buddhist cessations / nirvakalpa samadhi

Further, I also find that it would be incredibally random if the human brain, which evolved solely with the purpose of survival, should evolve to be able to generate experiences such as God realization. It seems completely unnecessary, when looking at the main objective of the evolution of the human brian, which is survival.

 

 

I think the brain is just a facilitator of sorts, the rest of the body is full of Intelligence and memory and capability, the brain just allows an Experience to happen, and when it is off, the Experience aspect stops,  So when You are in Deep Sleep, heart is still beating, blood pressure still balanced, homeostatus and millions of chemical reactions are happening, what does this mean? It means there is an intelligence pulsing thru Your Body, this has nothing to do with the Brain, each cell is full of intelligence and memory, as is every molecule, and atom, Brain is not functioning on that level, so what is coordinating it and allowing each moment of each day for Your Body and Mind to be as it is? 

This is what  "God" is, a Grand sort of Intelligence that is everywhere that manifestation is, and unmanifestation, it is just we as Humans via Experience can be intouch with it more so than any other life form on this planet!

[emil1234]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I think the brain is just a facilitator of sorts, the rest of the body is full of Intelligence and memory and capability, the brain just allows an Experience to happen, and when it is off, the Experience aspect stops,  So when You are in Deep Sleep, heart is still beating, blood pressure still balanced, homeostatus and millions of chemical reactions are happening, what does this mean? It means there is an intelligence pulsing thru Your Body, this has nothing to do with the Brain, each cell is full of intelligence and memory, as is every molecule, and atom, Brain is not functioning on that level, so what is coordinating it and allowing each moment of each day for Your Body and Mind to be as it is? 

This is what  "God" is, a Grand sort of Intelligence that is everywhere that manifestation is, and unmanifestation, it is just we as Humans via Experience can be intouch with it more so than any other life form on this planet!

i like this. the intelligence of god operates even where there is no experience

Edited September 16 by emil1234

[Ishanga]

11 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

i like this. the intelligence of god operates even where there is no experience

Yes, I think we are here to have the Experiences we all have, so that "God" or Absolute can know itself, in Absolute realm there is no Experience, its just Oneness, Possibility and Potential, so here we living out that possibility on this dual material planet with Free Will to be as we want to be, and an ability to be highly Conscious/Aware to play this game:)

[Hojo]

They are scared. Whenever you have realization around what is happening you get scared. But when you show people these holes they get scared and they make up that the fear they are feeling is coming from you. And instead of confront it its easier to call them crazy or think they are crazy and not engage with it. Its the definition of crazy.

The reason they wont engage is because they are crazy and you are showing them they are crazy and they are getting scared by it.

A sane person would ask why did what that person just said scare me?

Edited September 16 by Hojo

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

They are scared. Whenever you have realization around what is happening you get scared. But when you show people these holes they get scared and they make up that the fear they are feeling is coming from you. And instead of confront it its easier to call them crazy or think they are crazy and not engage with it. Its the definition of crazy.

The reason they wont engage is because they are crazy and you are showing them they are crazy and they are getting scared by it.

A sane person would ask why did what that person said just scare me?

This is the Ego complex, a survival and societal mechanism, we are born with so we can live another day in a tribe or the world like we have it today, it creates an Individual separate feeling of existing, its needed but we can live beyond this for sure..I think when ppl have grand experiences on psychedelics but have not done any ground work, this is where the big feeling of fear comes up so hence Ego death is a death of sorts, it all comes down to wrong identification of what we are, we are not the Ego or Body/Mind complex but much more..

 

[Hojo]

@Ishanga Its not just that if it was just that they would still engage. Its that they are insane and they have forgotten they are not just the ego complex. That is satan.

This society is literally shattering people and breeding people who are insane. The fact that crazier shit isnt happening is showing that we are actually good people. Its like everyone has taken their hands off their wheels and no one is crashing.

Edited September 16 by Hojo

[Breakingthewall]

God is a ego projection, reality is uncaused, unlimited and without any meaning or intention. Reality is ultimately absolute and you are the absolute, but the absolute is not a creator, it has no will, it is not the director who makes things happen, the only cause is the absence of limits that makes inevitable the fact that everything is infinite. finitude is apparent, any point in reality contains complete reality, and relative apparent movement in the absolute is infinite in all its directions, coordinated in all its aspects, this is infinite intelligence, which is impersonal, inevitable and permeates all reality.

Let's say that God is the relative you elevated to infinite power, an inevitable force that moves in infinite holons that are mirrors of each other, but that ultimately are appearances, heartbeats or breaths of the absolute, which knows nothing and does nothing, due to the fact to be absolute, since any understanding, knowledge, will, is relative to anything else and there isn't anything else

Edited September 16 by Breakingthewall